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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: Don Corleone of the Nobel prize? |
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Nobel Laureates by country:
USA- 160
UK- 110
Germany- 94
France - 54
Sweeden - 27
Switzerland - 25
Now if we divide up the numbers to make it proportional to their respective poulations......Switzerland is officially the Don Corleone!
In proportion:
The Don - Switzerland
2nd - Sweeden
3rd - UK (Go on my son!!!)
4th - Germany
5th - France |
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
Joined: 01 Apr 2007
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Dividing it up by total population is meaningless. The issue is which universities are better (just using nobel prizes as the criteria). Therefore total amounts by university are all that count. England has two dominant universities, plus a handful more decent ones. The U.S. has more than 10 dominant ones (30+ prizes) plus around 80 or so (that I counted) that have a won at least 1 or more. In short, no other country even comes remotely close at all on university average (and besides Cambridge and Oxford, no other universities can match the elite American universities).
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Dividing it up by total population is meaningless. The issue is which universities are better (just using nobel prizes as the criteria). Therefore total amounts by university are all that count. England has two dominant universities, plus a handful more decent ones. The U.S. has more than 10 dominant ones (30+ prizes) plus around 80 or so (that I counted) that have a won at least 1 or more. In short, no other country even comes remotely close at all on university average (and besides Cambridge and Oxford, no other universities can match the elite American universities).
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I divided up to make it proportional and fair. Do the math yourself 
In case you didn't notice this is a totally different thread.....nothing to do with universities. It's about nobel prizes. Are my figure inaccurate?
USA has about 300million ppl. UK=60 million. I'm not surprised you have more top uni's. Like I said...this thread is about nobel prizes in proportion to ones poulation, and the UK outshines ya Likewise, Switzerland outshines us  |
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| demi wrote: |
I divided up to make it proportional and fair. Do the math yourself
In case you didn't notice this is a totally different thread.....nothing to do with universities. It's about nobel prizes. Are my figure inaccurate? |
Nothing to do with universities... okay (except that most nobel laureates in academic fields have attended university).
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| USA has about 300million ppl. UK=60 million. I'm not surprised you have more top uni's. Like I said...this thread is about nobel prizes in proportion to ones poulation, and the UK outshines ya Likewise, Switzerland outshines us |
I don't see how the ratio matters in the least. For one thing I'm pretty sure there's a lot less people in the U.S. who even get post-secondary education in the first place (less service jobs per capita than European countries), so you'd have to take that into account.
At any rate I still maintain it's total amounts that count, not amounts per capita. |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| At any rate I still maintain it's total amounts that count |
How can that be a fair way to look at it? Seriously...looking at it from your point then Switzerland/Sweeden haven't achieved much. You're American right? Convenient you think total is a more important/accurate reflection of the achievements in question.
Switzerlands pop. is about 9million. 25 nobels. USA pop. about 300million. Do they have 33 times as many nobels....20 times as many......10 times as many? You are being so biased with your analysis. Give credit where credit is due! |
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
Joined: 01 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| At any rate I still maintain it's total amounts that count |
How can that be a fair way to look at it? Seriously...looking at it from your point then Switzerland/Sweeden haven't achieved much. You're American right? Convenient you think total is a more important/accurate reflection of the achievements in question.
Switzerlands pop. is about 9million. 25 nobels. USA pop. about 300million. Do they have 33 times as many nobels....20 times as many......10 times as many? You are being so biased with your analysis. Give credit where credit is due! |
Of course it's a fair way to look at it. The majority of any country doesn't achieve any level of post-secondary education (and in the case of the U.S. often don't need to since many well paying jobs don't require a university degree). Therefore they don't count. And the 200 odd million Americans who don't/haven't gone to university (or at least never achieved a doctorate) don't count. You have to limit your count to the academic sphere to maintain any relevance. What about this is difficult for you to understand?? 
I'll also add that nobel prizes winnings are a tad skewed since the U.S. already gets criticised for winning so many (therefore they tend to get spread around for diplomatic reasons).
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| demi wrote: |
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| At any rate I still maintain it's total amounts that count |
How can that be a fair way to look at it? Seriously...looking at it from your point then Switzerland/Sweeden haven't achieved much. You're American right? Convenient you think total is a more important/accurate reflection of the achievements in question.
Switzerlands pop. is about 9million. 25 nobels. USA pop. about 300million. Do they have 33 times as many nobels....20 times as many......10 times as many? You are being so biased with your analysis. Give credit where credit is due! |
The credit goes to those intelligent, witty or brave enough to win such a prestigious award. I don't think the country a person comes from should really matter.
Neither should the schools because I'm sure a few Swedes or Swiss went to school in the U.S. but that doesn't mean the U.S. should get credit.
You want to prove whose country's better?
Pick two Koreans and whoever can get him or her to say "rebellious rapscallion" properly wins  |
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Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
The credit goes to those intelligent, witty or brave enough to win such a prestigious award. I don't think the country a person comes from should really matter.
Neither should the schools because I'm sure a few Swedes or Swiss went to school in the U.S. but that doesn't mean the U.S. should get credit. |
I disagree. The school should get credit because that's where the person was educated or did research. An immigrant from Sri Lanka (just for example) might be brilliant and win a prize but it's foolish to think he or she could have ever done it back home, with a lack of resources/funding. The university definitely counts (at least to a large extent). |
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demi
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| I'll also add that nobel prizes winnings are a tad skewed since the U.S. already gets criticised for winning so many (therefore they tend to get spread around for diplomatic reasons). |
Source please. Comments like this clearly indicate that you will have bias opinions for life.
And the 200 odd million Americans who don't/haven't gone to university (or at least never achieved a doctorate) don't count. You have to limit your count to the academic sphere to maintain any relevance.
I agree....but you have to limit the count across ALL countries. Are you saying that if we limit the count to just those who do achieve post-secondary education among the mentioned nations, the proportional results would be different?
Ok...lets say 50 million in the USA go to uni. and 3-4 million from Swiss pop. If you do the math, Switzerland still dominates. By far. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| demi wrote: |
| How can that be a fair way to look at it? |
Life isn't fair. |
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butlerian
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Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Come on, guys. It doesn't matter anyway. Demi is right. Let's leave it at that. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_laureates_by_university_affiliation
Columbia has had 82 NP winners affiliated with their school. Chicago, 79; Harvard, 78; MIT, 63; UCB, 61; Stanford, 50; Cornell, 42; Yale, 32; Johns Hopkins, 32; CalTech, 31; Princeton, 29; NYU, 27; Wash U, 21; Rockefeller, 20; etc. etc.
Meanwhile, Cambridge has had 81 and Oxford 55. Manchester has had 23.
So down to unis with at least 20 NP affiliates, US schools have 644. UK schools have 159. So the US has 4 times as many, with 5 times the population. Factor in immigration and English speaking populations, they're probably close to the same.
Anyways, which of the 3 English unis listed did you attend, demi? |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| i've been to one and i'm going to one of the others in september, and i agree with demi |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| The real Don Corleone of the Nobels was Egas Moniz. The man was an artist with the ice pick. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| bobbyhanlon wrote: |
| i've been to one and i'm going to one of the others in september, and i agree with demi |
How many Nobel Prize winners did you meet or work for? |
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