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Kyonggi Ministry of Education says you have no choice
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littledigits1



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Kyonggi Ministry of Education says you have no choice Reply with quote

Any of you been in a situation where a school has forced you to speak English to Korean teachers even at lunch? Although the Korean culture puts an onus on building relationships it is unacceptable to speak Korean to anyone at my school if I choose to. The result is the only people you are able to speak to are the ones who want to practice their English which would include the English teachers as well.

According to the representative of the Kyonggi Ministry of Education we as foreign teachers are not allowed to have the choice to speak the Korean language if the school disallows it even if it is to facilitate a friendlier environment for those non-English speakers which is the vast majority of the staff and faculty. Our lunch hour isn't our time. It apparently belongs to the school as well and we are forced to do what they want even then. And we must be available to any of the teachers who want to practice their English.

And this isn't even regarding the students. We are talking other teachers and staff.

Is this something you've encountered?
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any proof of this?
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only ever speak Korean to all the teachers who work at my school. I have never been notified of that rule. It's reminiscent of the US/UK prisoners at the end of the Korean war who chose to live in the PRC; they were not permitted to speak Mandarin. How good is your Korean?
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LiquidSunshine



Joined: 31 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

take it under consideration, nod your head and then go talk korean to your co-workers. then when they come back to you and tell you to speak english, nod your head and say 'thank you'....then go speak korean to your co-workers.
i can understand why they are asking you to do this and if someone speaks to you in English you will probably respond in English, which is what they want. Of course, if a teacher can't speak English then you should speak to them in Korean, if you can.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My co-teachers think it sort of odd that I can't speak Korean but am fluent in Thai and Lao.. Very Happy You must work at a psycho school, mine is way cool!

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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kyonggi MOE can derelict my balls.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold up the contract and call their bullshit. Speak in another language then, or talk to people in really complex English.

"I declare, this warm protein-based composite does a number on my buds of taste!"

"What?"

"[Give simple translation in Korean = This food is good."

They'll let you speak Korean again really soon.
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cmr



Joined: 22 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Kyonggi Ministry of Education says you have no choice Reply with quote

littledigits1 wrote:
Our lunch hour isn't our time. It apparently belongs to the school as well and we are forced to do what they want even then. And we must be available to any of the teachers who want to practice their English.


This is wrong, so wrong. Do you have a full schedule, 22 teaching hours a week? If so, then you don't have to be available to anyone if they want to practice English. Their idea just doesn't make sense in the first place, but you can use that as an argument.

Some principals were born and raised in another era and they seem to think they are gods and whoever else works in the school should be their slaves. You're not an animal, neither a child, let them know.

You can do this the Korean way: say "yes" to everything they ask but then do whatever you want, or you can simply make things clear from the start, politely and respectfully telling them that you are in no way bound in any way to speak a language over another while you are not teaching. I'd like to see them coming up with anything in your contract or any law saying that you cannot use Korean when talking to a Korean!
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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just greet people with Hello and say Thank you in English (every Korean knows those), but continue to speak to hte people who can't speak English in Korean. When the principle pproaches you jsut say "Yes, OK, whatever you say, sir," then continue on as normal. Just make abit of a show of it in the hall saying hello and whatnot. They'll forget it even happened.

If you really want to show them you mean business, stop eating lunch with everyone. I don't eat with them. I need some peace adn quiet from them and the kids. I get enough "group time" with mandatory tea time every morning and usually some kind of snack time in the afternoon! I really enjoy eating in my office.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I think about this, the more I can't believe it. What about words that work in both languages, do you have to make sure you pronounce "change" properly and not as "changeee"? Will you get in trouble if somebody speaks to you in Korean and you understand? They can't tell you what language you can and can't speak outside of class.
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work in a school in the same area and have never heard of that rule.
Admitedly at the moment I don't speak very much Korean at all - and only my 4 co-teachers speak a significant amount of English (even they are not fluent). They and the school seem to see any Korean that I learn as a positive - not as a negative - It does play a significant part in being able to effectively communicate with and build relationships with the other members of staff, which I see as important. Especially in situations like the ones many of us are in who work in Public Schools there is often no one who is really fluent in English other than us - To totally restrict the use of any Korean by us at school would actually to me be a significant barrier to effective communication about English with them. I can see that when I do have some Korean to use it will be a lot easier than it is now. I am being encouraged to learn some - not told that I can't speak Korean. Our contracts do include the possibility of English classes with staff being one of our duties - which hasn't happened for me yet.

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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Kyonggi Ministry of Education says you have no choice Reply with quote

littledigits1 wrote:
Any of you been in a situation where a school has forced you to speak English to Korean teachers even at lunch? Although the Korean culture puts an onus on building relationships it is unacceptable to speak Korean to anyone at my school if I choose to. The result is the only people you are able to speak to are the ones who want to practice their English which would include the English teachers as well.

According to the representative of the Kyonggi Ministry of Education we as foreign teachers are not allowed to have the choice to speak the Korean language if the school disallows it even if it is to facilitate a friendlier environment for those non-English speakers which is the vast majority of the staff and faculty. Our lunch hour isn't our time. It apparently belongs to the school as well and we are forced to do what they want even then. And we must be available to any of the teachers who want to practice their English.

And this isn't even regarding the students. We are talking other teachers and staff.

Is this something you've encountered?
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Kyonggi Ministry of Education says you have no choice Reply with quote

littledigits1 wrote:
According to the representative of the Kyonggi Ministry of Education (1) we as foreign teachers are not allowed to have the choice to speak the Korean language if the school disallows it even if it is to facilitate a friendlier environment for those non-English speakers which is the vast majority of the staff and faculty. (2) Our lunch hour isn't our time. (3) It apparently belongs to the school as well and we are forced to do what they want even then. (4) And we must be available to any of the teachers who want to practice their English.

(1) Of course you have the choice. you are not a slave. Dictating the language you conduct class in is one thing, but dictating the language you use OUTSUDE of class and in your FREE TIME. Bull-f'ing-shit.
(2) It sure as hell is. A quick call to Labor will confirm it.
(3) It sure as hell does NOT. Lunch time is YOUR time. You are not on the clock. Period.
(4) Are they apying you for all this practice with the teachers? No. Why the hell should you work for free?

Tell the principal to suck your balls.
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My coworkers enjoy the fact that I am learning Korean, and they like helping me. They also get a kick out of my tremendously bad pronunciation. But a lot of the Kteachers at my school actually use English outside of the classroom, even when I'm not involved in the conversation. Their English isn't perfect by any means, but they do seem to enjoy practicing.
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually BS cause in the EPIK contract it states excluding LUNCH hour. The ministry can lick your balls or any other gonads of your choice.
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