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thepeel
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Well, then. The gang is all here.
Adventurer posts a story on the declining honeybee population. BLT promptly cites "peak oil" and Homo sapiens's pending demise on our planet, Ddeubel preaches on the virtues of consuming "plant sperm," and now Igotthisguitar adds a reference to an X-Files-like military-research program somewhere in Alaska. |
I blame the muslims for this. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Mindmetoo are you ready to read?
"Organic farming would not be profitable"
America's appetite for organic food is so strong that supply can't keep up with demand. Organic products still have only a tiny slice, about 2.5 percent, of the nation's food market. But the slice is expanding at a feverish pace.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/07/07/organic_hea.html?category=earth&guid=20060707103030
UN: Switch to organic crops could help world hunger
6 May 2007 - Researchers told a United Nations conference Saturday that a large-scale shift to organic agriculture could help fight world hunger while improving the environment. A University of Michigan study found that a global shift to organic agriculture would yield at least 2,641 kilocalories per person per day, just under the world's current production of 2,786.
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/environmental-news.html#postive3
America will have to quit their GM crops with their inbuilt pesticides and go organic if they want their bees back. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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It's the frickin' atheistic scientists and everyone who fails to see that all living beings are interelated - coming from the same infinitely potent, seed-bearing Father...
Hence, unnecessary killing of any living beings will always have karmic reactions - and wholesale raping of Mother Earth (another conscious living entity...) will trigger cataclysmic "natural disasters" (controlled by higher-dimensional, supernatural beings...) |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
It's the frickin' atheistic scientists and everyone who fails to see that all living beings are interelated - coming from the same infinitely potent, seed-bearing Father...
Hence, unnecessary killing of any living beings will always have karmic reactions - and wholesale raping of Mother Earth (another conscious living entity...) will trigger cataclysmic "natural disasters" (controlled by higher-dimensional, supernatural beings...) |
...and the multiculturalists |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| "Organic farming would not be profitable" |
Who claimed that?
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| America will have to quit their GM crops with their inbuilt pesticides and go organic if they want their bees back. |
Well, since we don't know the cause of CCD yet, you can't make that claim. There's no firm evidence CCD is a result of GM crops. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
It's the frickin' atheistic scientists and everyone who fails to see that all living beings are interelated - coming from the same infinitely potent, seed-bearing Father...
Hence, unnecessary killing of any living beings will always have karmic reactions - and wholesale raping of Mother Earth (another conscious living entity...) will trigger cataclysmic "natural disasters" (controlled by higher-dimensional, supernatural beings...) |
I bet you wholesale rape the earth nearly as much as I do on a daily basis. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| "Organic farming would not be profitable" |
Who claimed that?. |
You.
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| How do you propose we get private land owners to pass on a profitable use of their land and return it to this state? |
If you read properly, "This state" means allowing some small parts of the land to lie fallow and wild , on a rotational basis. Its just one small technique of organic farming. I never said convert all the land to wilderness.
Of course if you were at all fluent with basic issues of the environment you would have known this.
Your assumption is also that farmers will only convert to organic if it is more profitable. But how about "to protect the environment"?? does that have any priority? Or is profit all that matters? Spoken like a true miguk. "Lets keep burning oil because its "more profitable" than clean energy."
As regards the bee die off- by the time they prove what exaclty is causing it (its probably a multitude of various factors), the bees will be gone. Its better to make decisions based on high probability. Global warming is a similar case. Its highly probable that human emissions are causing climate change, so its better to act on that likelihood rather than wait for 100% proof to arrive from some as yet undeveloped technology. By which time we'll be under water. Same goes for the link between smoking and lung cancer.
I see you're someone that always wants 100% absolute proof before you do absolutely anything. What a bore |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| "Organic farming would not be profitable" |
Who claimed that?. |
You. |
Really? Show me where I claimed that?
"Organic farming would not be profitable"
You made up that quote. I never wrote that. Odd you have to make up a quote instead of quoting the exact language you think I used to claim organic farming was not profitable. Anyway, cite my actual language or retract that claim.
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| Your assumption is also that farmers will only convert to organic if it is more profitable. But how about "to protect the environment"?? does that have any priority? Or is profit all that matters? Spoken like a true miguk. "Lets keep burning oil because its "more profitable" than clean energy." |
Has "to protect the environment" motivated many in business before? Maybe European businesses act that way but that's not the attitude of many North American and Asian businesses (as you've astutely noted). How do you propose "protect the environment" be inculcated in the minds of profit chasing North Americans? By having them attend seminars by patient fellows like you?
Again, I should note I'm Canadian if you're looking for a more accurate way to poison the debating well with a better ad hominem attack than "American".
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| As regards the bee die off- by the time they prove what exaclty is causing it (its probably a multitude of various factors), the bees will be gone. |
How do you know they will be (all) gone? They know something is killing the bees, bees will survive some place. They're not dying off all over the world (currently). Won't they quarantine some bees? They can use those to reproduce the bee population. No? Aren't population crashes fairly common in any regard? We've not lost them yet.
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| Its better to make decisions based on high probability. |
Bee keepers will make decisions based on scientific evidence, no? According to wiki:
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As of March 1, 2007 MAAREC offers the following tentative recommendations for beekeepers noticing the symptoms of CCD:[39]
1. Do not combine collapsing colonies with strong colonies.
2. When a collapsed colony is found, store the equipment where you can use preventative measures to ensure that bees will not have access to it.
3. If you feed your bees sugar syrup, use Fumagillin.
4. If you are experiencing colony collapse and see a secondary infection, such as European Foulbrood, treat the colonies with Terramycin, not Tylan. |
You stated:
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| America will have to quit their GM crops with their inbuilt pesticides and go organic if they want their bees back. |
According to wiki this group is "the de facto lead team investigating Colony Collapse Disorder". I don't see anything in their recommendations about getting rid of GMO crops or even not exposing your bees to GMO crops for pollination duty. Won't bee keepers listen to these people, if anyone? Do you still think GMO crops are the cause (or a significant contributing factor)? If so, based on what evidence? What do you know that the MAAREC doesn't? You claim to be fluent in basic environmental issues. Why is your position so different from the current position of the expert researchers?
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| Global warming is a similar case. Its highly probable that human emissions are causing climate change, so its better to act on that likelihood rather than wait for 100% proof to arrive from some as yet undeveloped technology. |
Agreed, but this consensus was arrived at after careful scientific study.
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| I see you're someone that always wants 100% absolute proof before you do absolutely anything. What a bore |
A strawman for reasons listed above.
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Well, then. The gang is all here.
Adventurer posts a story on the declining honeybee population. BLT promptly cites "peak oil" and Homo sapiens's pending demise on our planet, Ddeubel preaches on the virtues of consuming "plant sperm," and now Igotthisguitar adds a reference to an X-Files-like military-research program somewhere in Alaska. |
I blame the muslims for this. |
You're probably right for once. Speaking from personal experience, bees tried to kill me. They are an inassimilable insect. First you get the honey bees, then you get the illegal (most likely Muslim) African killer bees. F 'em all. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
Well, then. The gang is all here.
Adventurer posts a story on the declining honeybee population. BLT promptly cites "peak oil" and Homo sapiens's pending demise on our planet, Ddeubel preaches on the virtues of consuming "plant sperm," and now Igotthisguitar adds a reference to an X-Files-like military-research program somewhere in Alaska. |
I blame the muslims for this. |
You're probably right for once. Speaking from personal experience, bees tried to kill me. They are an inassimilable insect. First you get the honey bees, then you get the illegal (most likely Muslim) African killer bees. F 'em all. |
Racist. Those bees pollinate crops that American bees won't. Colonies don't stop at the border. |
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