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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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Moore is fat, ugly and his mother dresses him funny. He is also having a very hard time emotionally coming to terms with the fact that Bush won in 2004. Be kind to him, he is morally handicapped.
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Michael Moore is working on an autobiographical film.
"Triple Bypass Me"  |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand that the triple bypass will be done in Cuba! |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| Did the fat idiot break the law? |
Yes, he did. And yes this issue is as simple as that. But there is one other thing...
Moore staged this and is gleefully taking advantage of it -- playing the victim, etc. -- to hype his film. No more, no less. |
Right, cuz, gee, like, you just know everyting, cuz, like, you're the cooolest dude on campus in, like, EVER... |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Gang ah jee: you last six posts deal only with me -- even on threads where I did not participate! Fascinating. Looks like I have picked up another heart-sick groupie/personal prosecutor here on Dave's.
Please come back for number seven. And, oh yeah: be sure to showcase your wit...ROFL |
This is a disgusting level of hypocrisy, boy. Fecking child. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| The Cuban sanctions don't really make sense, anyway. |
So is it all right for Moore to unilaterally decide he is going to break the law here? |
Where have you shown he has broken the law? There is an investigation. Where, pray tell, is the conviction you so clearly claim, boy? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Now that you children have peed your pants enough to fill the wading pool, anyone got any info? Here's some:
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The embargo has been the source of almost unanimous international criticism. Annual votes in the United Nations General Assembly that call on the U.S. to lift its sanctions pass with exceptionally large margins (173 to 3 in 2002; 179 to 4 in 2004). In the 2006 vote, only the U.S., Israel, the Marshall Islands, and Palau voted against the resolution (with Federated States of Micronesia abstaining).
The Helms-Burton Act has been the target of criticism from Canadian and European governments in particular, who resent the extraterritorial pretensions of a piece of legislation aimed at punishing non-U.S. corporations and non-U.S. investors who have economic interests in Cuba. In the Canadian House of Commons, Helms-Burton was mocked by the introduction of the Godfrey-Milliken Bill, which called for the return of property of United Empire Loyalists seized by the American government as a result of the American Revolution (the bill never became law). Furthermore, the European Parliament in 1996 passed a law making it illegal for EU citizens to obey the Helms-Burton act. This EU law was clearly more symbolic than anything else, but virtually eliminated any weight the act had over EU citizens.[citation needed] The European Council:
Religious leaders oppose the embargo for a variety of reasons, including humanitarian and economic hardships the embargo imposes on Cubans. Pope John Paul II called for the end to the embargo during his 1979 pastoral visit to Mexico, and again during his 1998 visit to Cuba. Patriarch Bartholomew I called the embargo a "historic mistake" while visiting the island on January 25, 2004. United States religious leaders have also opposed the embargo. A joint letter in 1998 from the Disciples of Christ and the United Church of Christ to the U.S. Senate called for the easing of economic restrictions against Cuba. Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, and Minister Louis Farrakhan have also publicly opposed the embargo. On May 15, 2002 former President Jimmy Carter spoke in Havana, calling for an end to the embargo, saying "Our two nations have been trapped in a destructive state of belligerence for 42 years, and it is time for us to change our relationship."
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The embargo is as asinine an childish as some of you posting here. What danger is Cuba to the US? None. What have they done to us? Nothing. It's bull. I consider any act against it civil disobedience. I know... too American fo some of you. You know, resisting unjust and immoral laws... like our forefathers... you know, those guys who wrote the Constitution?
As for what Moore did there:
http://www.counterpunch.org/landau11012003.html
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| FACT: Administrative regulations don't prohibit Americans from traveling, but from spending money in Cuba, unless licensed to do so for research, media reporting, or family visits. "Freedom of movement is the very essence of our free society, setting us apart.it often makes all other rights meaningful." Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, (concurring) Aptheker v. Secretary of State, 378 U.S. 500, 520 (1964). |
Or are investigative documentaries no longer media reporting? |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| EFL, most people here agree with you. The embargo IS foolish. And media reporters SHOULD be allowed to go to Cuba, including Moore. The issue is whether he was granted permission to travel to Cuba, as the law states. He applied but it isn't clear if he was accepted(not all journalists are) in the time frame he specified. If he wasn't accepted then he broke the law and should face punishment. We don't all like the laws that govern us, but none of us are above them. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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enns noted:
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| The issue is whether he was granted permission to travel to Cuba, as the law states. |
Don't expect EFLTrainer to discern the finer points of reasoning. When it comes to argumentation he's a dull hatchet. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:09 am Post subject: |
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1) The embargo is stupid.
2) Moore is a fat sick leftist prat. CC said it best.
If you want to talk about hypocrisy, gag, moore should be your focus and not Gopher. By the by, have you ever even been to the USA? You might want to consider a long visit if you are going to fancy yourself an armchair expert on her politics.
3) This is distortion from the right to take away from the message of Moore's film. And the message (that the yank health care system is 'sick') is a true one. His solutions would, however, likely make it worse.
4) This is great publicity for Moore' film. |
I think the fat comment doesn't have its place here, no offense. It is like one of those things like ageism and any form of discrimination. So many people in America from all political persuasions are fat. |
You still are not grasping the concept. Let me try one more time.
Criticising someone's weight in response to their political views is bad argumentation, irrelevent, and not very nice. It would not be logically or morally correst to, say, Rosie O'Donnel if I called her a fat d*ke in response to her stance on gun laws. Understood.
HOWEVER-
When someone takes a stance against overconsumption, greed, gluttony, and (I believe he mentioned this in his book) American obesity and is the glaring physical example of all these horrible attributes he claims to be against, it makes him look like an ass- and all his arguments are moot.
The point is not that he is fat- at all. The point is that he is a hypocrite.
Take for example O'Donnel again. The fact that she is so vehemently anti- ALL guns, yet her bodyguards pack more heat than the FBI make her a hypocrite and her arguments moot. Nothing to do with her being fat, but everything to do with these screaming "personalities" not being able to practice what they preach so strongly about but expect US to follow. |
I basically can see where you're coming from. If he is preaching against gluttony, then he is being hypocritical. I can't say I've ever bought his books. I just watched his two movies, and I liked Fahrenheit 9/11 and thought he raised valid points, though the movie was somewhat propagandistic and skewed. I have heard a lot about Moore being hypocritical. He does seem to be very opportunistic. I can't claim to know too much about him or his character. You can point to a book where he talks about obesity while he's obese? I would be interested in that.
I will say, on the surface, I oppose prosecuting Moore in this case. Let's face it, so many people don't have medical care in the United States.
What are they supposed to do? I've been in that situation in the U.S. before but never in Canada. I even knew a fellow in Texas who could never get insurance coverage. Would I blame an ill person for getting treatment in Cuba? I can't say I would. I wouldn't blame that African American student I saw in the news some years ago who went to Cuba for medical school. So if that is why they are going after him (sending them to the hospital), then it seems kind of misguided. It is not like he was buying thousands of cigars for his friends. Yes, I understand you aren't supposed to travel to Cuba, but it was for a movie, and these guys got treatment. Obviously, these guys connected to Sept.11th didn't object in going to get treatment. I don't care about Moore, I care about people getting treated if they need it and for it to be affordable. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| I will say, on the surface, I oppose prosecuting Moore in this case. |
I do too. For the same reason that I should not be prosecuted for smokin weed back home. It is a stupid law that should be ignored.
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| Let's face it, so many people don't have medical care in the United States. |
That is why they shouldn't charge him? ? ?
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What are they supposed to do? I've been in that situation in the U.S. before but never in Canada. I even knew a fellow in Texas who could never get insurance coverage. Would I blame an ill person for getting treatment in Cuba? I can't say I would.
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Part of Cuban propaganda is making leftist Western people believe that Cubans have adequate medical care. They don't. They all have access to dirty, run down hospitals that are (under)staffed by Dr's who earn 30/month.
They do build very nice medical centers for medical tourists that are untouchable for common slaves who reside in the hell that is Castroland.
Check it out.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php
More here.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
It is very important to look past the leftist propaganda about socialism in Cuba. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| I am not infatuated with Cuba by any means. However, I do admire the fact they have made certain strides in certain fields of medicine including with eye care, bio-engineering etc.... For a very poor country, that is not bad. I believe I read Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S., even, but I don't believe in communism, dictatorships, and ignoring that aspect in favour of slamming the U.S. for certain problems in giving health care to more Americans. It is too slanted. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| EFL, most people here agree with you. The embargo IS foolish. And media reporters SHOULD be allowed to go to Cuba, including Moore. The issue is whether he was granted permission to travel to Cuba, as the law states. He applied but it isn't clear if he was accepted(not all journalists are) in the time frame he specified. If he wasn't accepted then he broke the law and should face punishment. We don't all like the laws that govern us, but none of us are above them. |
No, the issue is what he did while there. It actually is not necessary to get permission to go to there. Read the law. Despite that, what is the point of prosecution? How many other prosecutions have you seen for this? Witch hunt. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| enns wrote: |
| EFL, most people here agree with you. The embargo IS foolish. And media reporters SHOULD be allowed to go to Cuba, including Moore. The issue is whether he was granted permission to travel to Cuba, as the law states. He applied but it isn't clear if he was accepted(not all journalists are) in the time frame he specified. If he wasn't accepted then he broke the law and should face punishment. We don't all like the laws that govern us, but none of us are above them. |
No, the issue is what he did while there. It actually is not necessary to get permission to go to there. Read the law. Despite that, what is the point of prosecution? How many other prosecutions have you seen for this? Witch hunt. |
Even if it is a witch hunt, let's face it, the guy deserves it. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S... |
Apples and oranges, Adventurer.
You cannot compare American and Cuban social stats anymore than you can compare American and Canadian Indian wars or American and Swedish foreign-policy making.
You may compare America, China, Germany, etc. Stick to comparing entities of similar economies, class, type, and size/scale, please.
And finally, the Cuban govt (as do many others) lacks the American govt's openness with information, health and crime stats, etc. So you also need to stick to comparing those who offer comparable and comparably-reliable data. |
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