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mindmetoo
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Lest we forget: prescription drugs are one the leading causes of death in the world. |
Ummm and not taking them ... what chances do you think you'd have against an infection? Or cancer? or AIDS?
Gosh, eating is a major cause of death. How many people choke to death eating? The solution is not to eat? Please. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
http://www.newstarget.com/009278.html
Statistics prove prescription drugs are 16,400% more deadly than terrorists |
Thanks Way-Guk ...
Helps to give a little perspective.
Lest we forget: prescription drugs are one the leading causes of death in the world.
Vested interests would of course like to generate mass hysteria & instate prohibitive legislative re: nutritional supplements, health foods, herbs, alternative therapies etc. This is a NO-BRAINER 
Historically the helaers were imply murdered, property stolen etc ( i.e. think "witches" ).
Little more difficult therese days to get away with such criminality in broad daylight, so these sickos are forced to pursue alternative means.
Lots of health related topics here in AUDIO format:
http://911verses.com/911/underground/
Familiar with what HITLER said on the "BIG" lie?
The BIGGER the better  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Lest we forget: prescription drugs are one the leading causes of death in the world. |
Why, it's remarkable how few traffic fatalities there were before cars were invented. Why before cars, simply no one died of car accidents. Do we eliminate cars? Many would argue the benefits of cars far, far outweigh the cost of traffic fatalities.
And without prescription drugs, typhoid, infections, heart attacks, cancer, whooping cough, scarlet fever, TB, rubella, measles, malaria, leprosy, and lets not forget small pox would be the leading causes of death in the world. The number of deaths from accidents involving prescription medication would pale in comparison to the number of people dying of those diseases every year.
Your "healers" were notoriously bad at treating and curing any of those. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh sorry, let me add diabetes to that list. What is SHAM's record with type 1 diabetes? |
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supernaut
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Location: Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Oh sorry, let me add diabetes to that list. What is SHAM's record with type 1 diabetes? |
Some REAL MD's have lost there licenses for not using (and healing) there patients of diabetes, by not putting the clients on Insulin and simply changing there diets, love carbs.
There was an article about this in a Men's Health magasine this year about how doctors are forced into having there patients use Insulin when diabetes is detected, and many doctors are starting to disagree with this, but they face major trouble if they don't use "pharma's drug"
Also The American Diabetes Association (and most evil companies like these) make there money by promoting and advertising there name-sake disease. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Some REAL MD's have lost there licenses for not using (and healing) there patients of diabetes, by not putting the clients on Insulin and simply changing there diets, love carbs.
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First, what type are we talking? Type 2 diabetes can usually be managed by change in diet. I do believe most doctors, before reaching for the insulin prescription, hand the patient off to a dietary expert. If that fails, then...
Type 1 is insulin dependent. Diet isn't going to do much. If doctors were healing people of type 1 diabetes via diet (or even type 2) that would be Nobel Prize for Medicine type stuff. Bring on the clinical data. Very, very exciting.
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| There was an article about this in a Men's Health magasine this year about how doctors are forced into having there patients use Insulin when diabetes is detected, and many doctors are starting to disagree with this, but they face major trouble if they don't use "pharma's drug" |
Forced? Forced how? By threat of having their license taken away? If they're curing their patients and the patients are making no complaints to the AMA, it's rather odd they would lose their license. No? Do you have an example of a doctor who has "healed" (which I interpret to mean cured) a type 1 diabetes patient and lost his/her license to practice?
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| Also The American Diabetes Association (and most evil companies like these) make [their] money by promoting and advertising [their] name-sake disease. |
How does one get money by advertising a disease? What makes them evil? |
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some waygug-in
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Okay but so what? You keep missing the effective side of the equation too. It is okay for SHAM to make claims about a sugar tablet without proof or recrimination but big pharma is barred by the FDA (and Health Canada) and would suffer heavy penalties.
If you sell something and make a claim about it's health benefits, you need to demonstrate it's safe and effective. If we hold one to this standard, we must hold the other. |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said alternative remedies shouldn't be regulated, but I am concerned that the CA is going way overboard and is going to give way too much control over to pharmaceutical giants. |
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supernaut
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Location: Nova Scotia
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said alternative remedies shouldn't be regulated, but I am concerned that the CA is going way overboard and is going to give way too much control over to pharmaceutical giants. |
Who already have enough power and control to knowingly approve drugs that they know kill people (yes kill people). This happens quite often.
The FDA IS a joke run and paid for by Big Pharma.
The article about a doctor saying he cured diabetes was in Men's Health within the last year, I left my magazines in Canada. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I never said alternative remedies shouldn't be regulated, but I am concerned that the CA is going way overboard and is going to give way too much control over to pharmaceutical giants. |
Going overboard how? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| supernaut wrote: |
| Who already have enough power and control to knowingly approve drugs that they know kill people (yes kill people). This happens quite often. |
How do these drugs kill people? Which ones?
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| The FDA IS a joke run and paid for by Big Pharma. |
I thought tax dollars paid for it. But how is it run and paid for by Big Pharma?
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| The article about a doctor saying he cured diabetes was in Men's Health within the last year, I left my magazines in Canada. |
So, we have no actual claim we can both examine. Then let me state, no doctor has ever cured type 1 diabetes via the means you claim.
A pubmed search does reveal this. But it's about a low carb diet for controlling type 2 diabetes. That's not a cure, eh. We already know type 2 diabetes in many cases can be controlled by diet. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| some waygug-in wrote: |
| I never said alternative remedies shouldn't be regulated, but I am concerned that the CA is going way overboard and is going to give way too much control over to pharmaceutical giants. |
Going overboard how? |
Well, according to this site:
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/newsl/codex.html
The problem is that the German delegation has proposed radical changes in the rules governing dietary supplements which, if passed and implemented, would require a doctor's prescription for the vast majority of dietary supplements now available in this country.
Called "Proposed Draft Guidelines for Dietary Supplements", the German plan calls for the following:
No dietary supplement can be sold for prophylactic (preventive) use or therapeutic use;
No dietary supplement sold as a food can exceed potency (dosage) levels set by the commission;
Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding, (which means that the escape clause within GATT that allows a nation to set its own standards would be eliminated);
All new dietary supplements would automatically be banned unless they go through the Codex approval process. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Called "Proposed Draft Guidelines for Dietary Supplements", the German plan calls for the following:
No dietary supplement can be sold for prophylactic (preventive) use or therapeutic use;
No dietary supplement sold as a food can exceed potency (dosage) levels set by the commission;
Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding, (which means that the escape clause within GATT that allows a nation to set its own standards would be eliminated);
All new dietary supplements would automatically be banned unless they go through the Codex approval process. |
Right but again we come back to the problem this web site claims that (just as say some web sites claim the UN's goal is to invade the USA) but no actual reference to the actual proposal on the table. I just find that really, really, really odd. Don't you? Wouldn't you want to look at the text of the proposal yourself? |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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If I thought I had a hope in hell of sorting through the entire document and finding the relevant passages, and then being able to understand the implications of them, I would do just that.
This last web site is from Australia, by the way.
So there seem to be a number of web sites claiming this, and from opposite sides of the planet, perhaps they are on to something here, don't you think?
Or maybe you suspect this is a global conspiracy of alternate health care promotors. |
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