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Which kinds of Master in TESOL are valid?
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mikeinasia



Joined: 07 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Which kinds of Master in TESOL are valid? Reply with quote

My university (Dong-Seo University) is not going to reconise my coursework Master in TESOL. It was done on campus, over 2 semesters, while taking 4 courses each semester. Dong-Seo University claims that it was done too quickly, and that their is no thesis, so they will not condsider it a true Masters degree. It was done at the University of Southern Queensland, in Toowoomba, Australia. I actually did it on campus so that it would not only add legitimacy to the degree, but also so that I could quickly re-enter the workforce.

Are their other teachers out there at different universities who have had their degrees' reconised? What kinds of degrees' are we talking about?


Thanks.

Yours truly,

Michael Lesser
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cubanlord



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Which kinds of Master in TESOL are valid? Reply with quote

mikeinasia wrote:
My university (Dong-Seo University) is not going to reconise my coursework Master in TESOL. It was done on campus, over 2 semesters, while taking 4 courses each semester. Dong-Seo University claims that it was done too quickly, and that their is no thesis, so they will not condsider it a true Masters degree. It was done at the University of Southern Queensland, in Toowoomba, Australia. I actually did it on campus so that it would not only add legitimacy to the degree, but also so that I could quickly re-enter the workforce.

Are their other teachers out there at different universities who have had their degrees' reconised? What kinds of degrees' are we talking about?


Thanks.

Yours truly,

Michael Lesser
[email protected]


Hello Michael,

In most cases a valid Master degree in a field usually consists of approximately 30 hours of study. Some have a thesis option and others do not. The university should be accredited by a professional and well-respected accrediting body. To have your Master's finished in 8 courses (2 semesters) is a bit rushed and sounds to me as if it isn't a solid program. Then again, I don't know about this program.

Is the school accredited? If so, what other schools have the accreditation from this body? That is important. For instance, I am currently working on my Master's (about half way through) through Shenandoah University out in Winchester, Virginia USA. They are accredited by Southern Association of Colleges and Schools which is the same body that accredits Duke and UV.

Hope this helps.
Me.
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icicle



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also from Australia. His University is definitely an accredited university. Studying full time with 4 subjects each semester is normal load for a Masters degree ... It is no small amount of work ... Many people do not study full time with Masters degrees and so take longer. I did my Masters degree at a different (but similar) university in an education field with a similar work load and like him studied on campus so I could get it finished in the year.
There are two different types of Masters degrees: Coursework and Research. But both are Masters degrees. Some Coursework Masters are a mixture of the two or include research subjects which prepare you for Phd study in the field. Mine is a bit like that. It is definitely not a light weight option. To do it in the year takes a lot of work and leaves not much time for anything else.

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ilovebdt



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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What MAs do the other teachers at your uni have.
Has anyone else done the 100% coursework route aswell?

In England, there are two types of MA. One is taught and the other is done by research. They are both as good as each other.


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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry to hear about your troubles. USQ has a bad rep for quality in the area of Linguistics graduate work.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A thesis is a necessary condition of respect in the academic community.

But in professional degrees, course-based programs are so often taken that you'd think it was respected enough, especially since research and original thought are not central to the skills being taught.

That said, USQ does have a bad rep for cranking out so many graduates with little minimum standards: quality of grads vary greatly from there, it is often noted online.

Perhaps consider teaching in a country in Southeast Asia, where any M.A. is considered good enough. Or chalk your degree up to a good experience, and education as a value in itself, and be a better teacher as a result of it, whatever employers say!

Good luck whatever.
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skdragon



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your situation!
It is unfortunate that USQ has done what they have done on the distance learning front, which has led to the current reputation it has (right or wrong) now got for itself.

Just be thankful you didn't get the on campus Coursework Masters from UNSW. They, I guess due to funding cuts and at an attept to grab up students, have dropped the MA load down to 6 courses. Shocked

You must remember that most Korean universities will expect an MA to follow the American model, mostly courswork and theis. In Australia, that is a Masters with Thesis program. From memory, I think USQ does offer that. Is it MA (Honors)?

Either way, I would direct some of your previous USQ profs to this thread and let them know about the decision your uni has made regarding the USQ MA.
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BS.Dos.



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In most cases a valid Master degree in a field usually consists of approximately 30 hours of study


30-hours? That doesn't sound right. Can you expand or is it a typo?
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aarontendo



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meaning 30 semester hours of coursework. Full time is usually around 9 semester credit hours a term for graduate work.
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zappadelta



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
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In most cases a valid Master degree in a field usually consists of approximately 30 hours of study


30-hours? That doesn't sound right. Can you expand or is it a typo?


Yes, that is right. Mine is either 30 with a thesis, or 36 with no thesis. I am taking distance courses from Indiana University in Language Education.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeesh.
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cubanlord



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS.Dos. wrote:
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In most cases a valid Master degree in a field usually consists of approximately 30 hours of study


30-hours? That doesn't sound right. Can you expand or is it a typo?


someone clarified it, thank you to whom did that. Yes, 30 semester hours. Also, some differ hence my use of the word "approximately".

SO, 24 course hours is what the OP would have taken. That, in most respected programs around the world, is not enough for a Master's degree.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M'lord, have you ever considered that you might not know absolutely everything about everything?
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mikeinasia



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: THANKS Reply with quote

Thank you for all of your replies, except for Pyongshin Sangja.

If you are working in Korea, what universities or other schools in Korea have accepted your Master in TESOL degrees?

What TESOL degrees and English first language universities have been reconised by your university and school in Korea?

Thanks.

Mike Lesser
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Keepongoing



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: mine Reply with quote

My MA TESOL was a 2 year reseident degree (39 semester hours) at San Jose State. We could do a thesis or comprehensive exam which entailed answering 3 questions received on Friday and turning it in on a Monday. It was a 30 page research paper.
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