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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: THE OTHER SICKNESS WITHIN ISLAMIC SOCIETIES |
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We all know that terrorism is the greatest sickness of modern Islamic societies from Saharan Africa to Indonesia. We know that countless number of imams, mullahs, religious lay persons, and ordinary Muslims either actively encourage it or otherwise condone it.
But what of the the other sickness infecting this religion?
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| I'm speaking of honor killings. According to a recent report (Nov. 15, 2006) by the renowned Center of Islamic and Middle Eastern Laws in London (among other reports), "The practice of honor killing is over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures." |
Sadly, these are not isolated incidents. The UN Population Fund estimates that at least 5,000 women and girls are stoned and beaten to death every year, while another 12,000 are severely injured or maimed for life. And these are only the cases reported to local authorities.
Now some of the Muslim apologists on this board might ask: ah, but this savagery must be confined to the most backward societies.
In fact it is not only found in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria but also Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Iran, and supposedly more enlightened societies like Jordan and Kurdistan.
Ah, the Kurds. Despite their relatively peaceful society, the other day a group of men (including brothers of the victim) kicked, beat, and stoned a 17 year-old girl for have the audacity to date a boy who is a Sunni Muslim. And they did it in public in the presence of police before video cameras. How quaint.
Lest the apologist think this is the result of vigilante justice, ALL of the countries listed above (and there are others) have codified honor killing into law.
Jordan is often held up as an example of a moderate Arab state (moderate only when compared to its fanatic neighbors). The AP, however, recently reported the case where a father shot and killed his teenage daughter for being promiscuous evne after a medical exam confirmed she was sitll a virgin. He walked free.
Which brings me to say something bound to spark controversy.
I have nothing but utter contempt for the current male domination of Muslim societies.
Any society that does not treat its women worse than its livestock is uncivilized. The Middle East and North Africa is run by men for the benefit of men. Women are held as much in suspicion as in high regard. They are at times like chattel.
Honor killings are almost exclusively of women and girls. Men and boys "guilty" of the same crimes are almost never punished.
Throughout the Middle East, women's groups are beginning to spring up in larger and more cosmopolitan areas. Many are motivated by feminist justice and rightly so.
Which brings me to the next point. No society that degrades women in practice as often and to the degree that most Muslim societies in the Middle East do can ever hope to be democratic.
The Arabs are tribal first and foremost. Tribal allegiance, loyalty to the blood line, the sheiks and so on always takes precedence over allegiance to the state.
You can't even have real nationalism when tribalism (with its manifestation of honor killings) abound.
And you can't ever hope to have any semblance of democracy where there isn't at least nationalism and half the population is thwarted in their individual and collective efforts.
Tell me most Muslim societies aren't more tribalistic than nationalistic. Prove to me that honor killings are justified by some bullshiite code of cultural relativism.
Let all the cultural relativists exclaim the fiction that all societies are of equal merit and worth and that while we might deplore this practice we shouldn't judge. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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McGarette,
That's fair and it is horrible. But let's be fair, this sort of thing is a "human' problem. One , your agenda doesn't want to look or check or even put on its list. Only say, We are the champions, everyone else is horrid....
This statement in particular is very ethnocentric and is as heavy with betrayal as the brill cream in your hair....
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| Which brings me to the next point. No society that degrades women in practice as often and to the degree that most Muslim societies in the Middle East do can ever hope to be democratic. |
GROSS. Simpleton. And not acceptable of a "scholar" on any level. You are a bigot for writing and not righting that.
Further, let's also for the sake of balance reveal for others that the U.S. of A. is by far the most prevalent beater and abuser of women. Not just in reports of wife abuse but also of under reporting of spousal abuse/ girlfriend battery. These are facts, given by international (but as you will say, left wing agencies....ah yes, for you everyone in disagreement is a communist, a bla bla bla.....). If you want the fact, I'll sprout a list that won't even make you puke (yes, your soul is stone). So just ask.
Please be fair minded in your reporting. This post is just bashing, after its first part. I'd appreciate you posting without the usual moralizing force of empty wind bagness.....
DD
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According to retired New York City Police Department Sergeant Bob Weir, a spouse is generally the top suspect in a homicide.
Seventy-four percent of all murder-suicides involved an intimate partner such as a spouse, common-law spouse or ex-spouse.
In 1976, 54% of people in first marriages described themselves as "very happy." Twenty years later, just 38% of people in similar circumstances described themselves that way.
Seventy-one percent of those murdered by their spouses are women.
Twenty percent of married women said they were "not sure" they would marry their husbands again, according to a Woman's Day survey. A third claimed they would "definitely" not pick the same spouse again.
Couples today are having a harder time achieving long-term wedded bliss than in any period over the last 40 years, according to the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University.
Between 1976 and 2004, 41,772 people were murdered by their spouses.
Having a gun in your home makes it three times more likely that you or someone you care about will be murdered by your spouse.
Ninety-two percent of those who report being assaulted by an intimate partner are female.
In spousal murder cases, wives, more often than husbands, claim they acted in self-defense.
About 70% of spousal homicide victims were attacked while they were lying down, sitting down, sitting in the car, sleeping, or passed out.
Prison sentences for wives convicted of murder are, on average, about 10 years shorter than for husbands.
Women account for only about 10% of murder defendants. But for spousal murders, women make up more than 40% of defendants.
According to a study by the U.S. Department of Justice, wives accused of killing their husbands are acquitted in 12.9% of cases, while husbands who go to trial for killing their wives were acquitted only 1.4% of the time. Sixteen percent of female spousal killers received probation, compared to 1.6% for males.
About 70% of women who try to kill their husbands use a gun. Only about 2% use "blunt objects."
Over half of the defendants accused of murdering their spouse had been drinking alcohol at the time of the offense.
Women living in central cities, suburban areas and rural locations experience similar rates of violence committed by spouses or ex-spouses.
Killing one's husband is referred to mariticide. Murdering your wife is uxoricide. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| That's fair and it is horrible. But let's be fair, this sort of thing is a "human' problem. One , your agenda doesn't want to look or check or even put on its list. |
wow your favorite response...wow no ideology can get any blame or be seen as causing a problem because hey.....It's a human problem.... |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: yes |
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| A 'human' problem that is almost solely a muslim problem. But remember guys, it's a big coincidence. Ddon't overgeneralize. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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While violence against women is in every society, what SM wrote about tends to happen in muslim cultures.
No matter what the arch-douchbag ddavid tells us, islam is in serious trouble. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel:
One question for ya, Bruddah Love:
Does the U.S. or any other Western nation codify into law and promote through many of its religious institutions the honor killing of women?
Get back to me when you can answer that in the affirmative.
Otherwise, you're just ddrooling from the corners of your mouth as usual. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Ddeubel wrote:
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| Further, let's also for the sake of balance reveal for others that the U.S. of A. is by far the most prevalent beater and abuser of women. Not just in reports of wife abuse but also of under reporting of spousal abuse/ girlfriend battery. |
Ddeubel, what are your sources for this? I've heard of some stats that some people claim prove what you are saying. However, upon closer examination, they turned out to be false.
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The inability to make simple distinctions shows up everywhere in contemporary feminist thinking. The Penguin Atlas of Women in the World, edited by geographer Joni Seager, is a staple in women's studies classes in universities. It was named "Reference Book of the Year" by the American Library Association and has received other awards. Seager, formerly a professor of women's studies and chair of geography at the University of Vermont, is now dean of environmental studies at York University in Toronto. Her atlas, a series of color-coded maps and charts, documents the status of women, highlighting the countries where women are most at risk for poverty, illiteracy, and oppression.
One map shows how women are kept "in their place" by restrictions on their mobility, dress, and behavior. Somehow the United States comes out looking as bad in this respect as Uganda: Both countries are shaded dark yellow, to signify extremely high levels of restriction. Seager explains that in parts of Uganda, a man can claim an unmarried woman for his wife by raping her. The United States gets the same rating because, Seager says, "state legislators enacted 301 anti-abortion measures between 1995 and 2001." Never mind that the Ugandan practice is barbaric, while the activism surrounding abortion in the United States is a sign of a contentious and free democracy working out its disagreements. Besides which, Seager's categories obscure the fact that in Uganda, abortion is illegal and "unsafe abortion is the leading cause of maternal mortality" (so states a 2005 report by the Gutt macher Institute), while American abortion law, even after the recent adoption of state regulations, is generally considered among the most liberal of any nation.
On another map the United States gets the same rating for domestic violence as Pakistan. Seager reports that in the United States, "22 percent-35 percent of women who seek emergency medical assistance at hospital are there for reasons of domestic violence." Wrong. She apparently misread a Justice Department study showing that 22 percent-35 percent of women who go to hospitals because of violent attacks are there for reasons of domestic violence. When this correction is made, the figure for domestic-violence victims in emergency rooms drops to a fraction of 1 percent. Why would Seager so uncritically seize on a dubious statistic? Like many academic feminists, she is eager to show that American women live under an intimidating system of "patriarchal authority" that is comparable to those found in many less developed countries. Never mind that this is wildly false.
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I would have to assume that if, as you say, the USA was the number one country for wife-beating, that the percentage of females visiting emergency rooms as a result of domestic violence would be considerably higher than 1 percent of the total emergency room patients.
In general, I am not an admirer of Weekly Standard, and don't entirely trust Sommers' overall agenda. However, on that partiuclar issue, it seems to me that she has made a pretty clear presentation of the statistics.
Do you have any other statistics that back up your claims?
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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