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Vicissitude
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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: MP3 Technology |
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Think you know what the first MP3 player was? Even we had bought into the urban legend that it was Diamond Multimedia's Rio PMP300, but Eliot Van Buskirk does a little debunking over at CNET, pointing out that the very first one to come out was actually Saehan's MPMan, a 32MB (yeah, megabyte) player which was sold in the US as the Eiger Labs MPMan F10/F20 a few months before the first Rio arrived. So why weren't they sued by the RIAA just like Diamond was? Because South Korea-based Saehan wasn't as easy to take to court as Diamond, which was headquartered in California. Not that not being sued seemed to make much of a difference for Saehan�the company has all but disappeared in the six and a half years since they first introduced the MPMan.
http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/25/the-very-first-mp3-player |
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The Diamond Rio's false status as the first MP3 player is practically cemented in technology lore, so before it's too late, I want to set the record straight. The world's first mass-produced hardware MP3 player was Saehan's MPMan, sold in Asia starting in the late spring of 1998. It was released in the United States as the Eiger Labs MPMan F10/F20 (two variants of the same device) in the summer of 1998, a few months before the Rio.
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6450_7-5622055-1.html |
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MPMan was the first portable MP3 player that was developed in 1997 by saehan a Korean Company (www.mpman.com). From the first MP3 player MPMan until today many companies have entered the market of MP3 players.
http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/5026.php |
MP3 PLAYER. |
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The History of MP3
From Mary Bellis,
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Fraunhofer Gesellschaft and MP3
The German company Fraunhofer-Gesellshaft developed MP3 technology and now licenses the patent rights to the audio compression technology - United States Patent 5,579,430 for a "digital encoding process". The inventors named on the MP3 patent are Bernhard Grill, Karl-Heinz Brandenburg, Thomas Sporer, Bernd Kurten, and Ernst Eberlein.
In 1987, the prestigious Fraunhofer Institut Integrierte Schaltungen research center (part of Fraunhofer Gesellschaft) began researching high quality, low bit-rate audio coding, a project named EUREKA project EU147, Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB).
Dieter Seitzer and Karlheinz Brandenburg
Two names are mentioned most frequently in connection with the development of MP3. The Fraunhofer Institut was helped with their audio coding by Dieter Seitzer, a professor at the University of Erlangen. Dieter Seitzer had been working on the quality transfer of music over a standard phone line. The Fraunhofer research was led by Karlheinz Brandenburg often called the "father of MP3". Karlheinz Brandenburg was a specialist in mathematics and electronics and had been researching methods of compressing music since 1977. In an interview with Intel, Karlheinz Brandenburg described how MP3 took several years to fully develop and almost failed. Brandenburg stated "In 1991, the project almost died. During modification tests, the encoding simply did not want to work properly. Two days before submission of the first version of the MP3 codec, we found the compiler error."
What is MP3
MP3 stands for MPEG Audio Layer III and it is a standard for audio compression that makes any music file smaller with little or no loss of sound quality. MP3 is part of MPEG, an acronym for Motion Pictures Expert Group, a family of standards for displaying video and audio using lossy compression. Standards set by the Industry Standards Organization or ISO, beginning in 1992 with the MPEG-1 standard. MPEG-1 is a video compression standard with low bandwidth. The high bandwidth audio and video compression standard of MPEG-2 followed and was good enough to use with DVD technology. MPEG Layer III or MP3 involves only audio compression.
Timeline - History of MP3
1987 - The Fraunhofer Institut in Germany began research code-named EUREKA project EU147, Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB).
January 1988 - Moving Picture Experts Group or MPEG was established as a subcommittee of the International Standards Organization/International Electrotechnical Commission or ISO/IEC.
April 1989 - Fraunhofer received a German patent for MP3.
1992 - Fraunhofer's and Dieter Seitzer�s audio coding algorithm was integrated into MPEG-1.
1993 - MPEG-1 standard published.
1994 - MPEG-2 developed and published a year later.
November 26, 1996 - United States patent issued for MP3.
September 1998 - Fraunhofer started to enforce their patent rights. All developers of MP3 encoders or rippers and decoders/players now have to pay a licensing fee to Fraunhofer.
February 1999 - A record company called SubPop is the first to distribute music tracks in the MP3 format.
1999 - Portable MP3 players appear.
What Can MP3 Do
Fraunhofer Gesellschaft has this to say about MP3:"Without Data reduction, digital audio signals typically consist of 16 bit samples recorded at a sampling rate more than twice the actual audio bandwidth (e.g. 44.1 kHz for Compact Discs). So you end up with more than 1.400 Mbit to represent just one second of stereo music in CD quality. By using MPEG audio coding, you may shrink down the original sound data from a CD by a factor of 12, without losing sound quality."
MP3 Players
In the early 1990s, Frauenhofer developed the first, however, unsuccessful MP3 player. In 1997, developer Tomislav Uzelac of Advanced Multimedia Products invented the AMP MP3 Playback Engine, the first successful MP3 player. Two university students, Justin Frankel and Dmitry Boldyrev ported AMP to Windows and created Winamp. In 1998, Winamp became a free MP3 music player boosting the success of MP3. No licensing fees are required to use an MP3 player |
MP3 PLAYER
MP3 Players and technology have been around a long time. The only thing the Korean did was make it portable.
http://www.businessweek.com/print/globalbiz/content/mar2007/gb20070305_707122.htm
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Europe March 5, 2007, 12:44PM EST text size: TT
How MP3 Was Born
Karlheinz Brandenburg often is cited as the inventor of the music format. But he credits many for a discovery that has upended the music business
by Jack Ewing
Karlheinz Brandenburg doesn't like being labeled the "inventor" of MP3. He points out that the most popular format for digital music on the Internet is the work of at least a half-dozen core developers and many others who made important contributions. Even folk-rock singer Suzanne Vega inadvertently played a walk-on role in the creation of MP3. "I know on whose shoulders I stand and who else contributed a lot," says Brandenburg, now director of the Fraunhofer Institute for Digital Media Technology in Ilmenau, Germany.
Still, there's no doubt Brandenburg was one of the crucial contributors to the technology that upended the music business and paved the way for Apple's (AAPL) immensely popular iPod media players and iTunes download service (see BusinessWeek.com, 2/26/07, "Apple's International iTunes Controversy"). In a recent interview, Brandenburg, 52, recalled how MP3 came into being. The story offers a lesson in the innovation process and a warning about how tricky it can be to sort out the intellectual property rights behind inventions that involve numerous organizations and people.
In February, a jury at the U.S. District Court in San Diego awarded Alcatel-Lucent (ALU) $1.5 billion in damages from Microsoft (MSFT) for use of some MP3 patents. Those patents stem from work done at Bell Labs, which belonged to a corporate forebear of the French-American telco-equipment maker.
"Terrible Distortion"
Brandenburg's involvement in digital music compression began in the early 1980s when he was a doctoral student at Germany's University of Erlangen-Nuremberg. A professor urged Brandenburg to work on the problem of how to transmit music over a digital ISDN phone line. It wasn't just a computer coding problem. Brandenburg had to immerse himself in the science behind how people perceive music.
That was where Suzanne Vega came in. Her song Tom's Diner, though seemingly a simple ditty, proved devilishly difficult to reproduce without annoying background noise. "Suzanne Vega was a catastrophe. Terrible distortion," Brandenburg recalls. "The a cappella version of Tom's Diner was more difficult to compress without compromising on audio quality than anything else."
When MP3 developers refined the technology to the point where Tom's Diner sounded true to the original, they had made a major breakthrough. "I've listened to this 20 seconds [of Tom's Diner] a thousand times. I still like the music," says Brandenburg, who met Vega years later when both attended an event in Cannes to mark the creation of MP3.
Fierce Competition
Brandenburg continued working on MP3�which wasn't known by that name until later�after finishing his doctoral work in 1989 and becoming an assistant professor at Erlangen-Nuremberg. He worked closely with scientists at the Fraunhofer Society, one of Germany's premiere research institutions, and joined the staff of the Fraunhofer Institute for Integrated Circuits in Erlangen in 1993 (see BusinessWeek.com, 3/12/07, "An Idea Incubator Tries to Grow Cash").
The Fraunhofer team was by no means the only group trying to solve the problem of transmitting music over the Internet. Groups at several other German universities as well as in other countries were racing to develop a standard. Researchers knew that figuring out a way to send high-fidelity sound over telecommunications lines could be important, though few suspected how immense the impact would be. "It became much bigger than we thought at the time," Brandenburg says.
Competition was fierce, and it was sometimes political as well as technical. Numerous teams lobbied for approval of the International Standards Organization, whose Motion Picture Experts Group, or MPEG, would determine which formats became industry norms. In 1993, after lengthy debate that led to consolidation of some of the competing standards, MPEG chose several formats.
Instant Fascination
MP3, based largely on the work of Fraunhofer and private partners including French electronics maker Thomson (TMS), proved to be the most efficient and popular. (Another standard to which the Fraunhofer contributed, known as Advanced Audio Coding or AAC, is the native technology used by the iPod, which also supports MP3 encoding.)
MP3 began to take off in the late 1990s when college computer geeks, aided by faster PCs, began using the format to create music files. Brandenburg says he had an inkling of the disruptive effects of the technology when he read a newspaper article about efforts by the Recording Industry Association of America to shut down student Web sites stocked with MP3 files. In 1997, Microsoft incorporated MP3 support into its Windows Media Player, and in 1998 the first portable MP3 players began appearing.
Brandenburg recalls showing an early Korean-made MP3 device to acquaintances. Even people who weren't gadget freaks were fascinated. "A lot of people said, 'I want to have it, how much does it cost?' This was when you had to pay a couple of hundred dollars for 15 to 30 minutes of music."
May We Suggest?
Since then, MP3 patents have generated tens of millions in royalty payments for the nonprofit Fraunhofer, including $143 million in 2005, when the number of companies buying MP3 licenses peaked. A Fraunhofer official says the institution was unpleasantly surprised by the San Diego court ruling against Microsoft. But a Thomson spokeswoman says the patents that generate royalties for Fraunhofer and Thomson are not affected.
Brandenburg hasn't become a dot-com zillionaire from his work on MP3, but he received a substantial cut of the royalty payments under a German law that entitles researchers to a share of the profits from their inventions. (He won't say how much.)
As director of the Fraunhofer Institute for Digital Media Technology, Brandenburg continues to be involved in the cutting edge of digital music. Researchers under his supervision are working on technology that would, for example, analyze a user's tastes based on music he or she has already downloaded, search the Internet for other tunes in the same genre, and automatically assemble a playlist. Brandenburg is also involved in research to deliver more realistic, true-to-life media than anything now available. Perhaps he'll even help touch off another revolution.
Ewing is BusinessWeek's European regional editor. |
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Ozabout7or8
Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: NZ
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| Movable metal type printing press. An upgrade on the wood/clay ones the Chinese were using. |
Yeah, I know about that - not an invention really, but just copying another country's invention and just improving upon it.
Thanks in any case for replying though.
Anyone got anything else?
Looks like I will have to stick to saying that Korea invented hangeul, which while awesome, is not exactly known in other countries. Sigh. |
And the electric lightbulb was an improvement on the oil lamp.
After all isn't the internal combustion engine just an improvement on the lever.
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Sarcasim right? If not, you should know there is a clear difference between improving on something and inventing something new. Ask a patent attorney. |
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Cheonmunka
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Does it really matter?
Korea has lost any chance of recovering it's environment. The seas are fuked. No fish worth eating can come out of the sea. Concrete covers everything. The places where there is open land smells, and the forests are all regrowth from after the pre-war stripping of lumber.
We know what life is like. It's bad actually. The mind-set is work, work, work and get money and more money. So many men I met say they need 10 million dollars in assets for their retirement. And they believe they can get it. That's what it's all about. Whether through inventive business practices, labor, or con. (Usually a combination of all three.)
So, if it's not in the mind-set to sit down and develop something while getting no pay (and not skiving off rich brothers while pretending to be inventing something) I wonder why anyone would bother with the topic of what Koreans have invented. Maybe sweet f a.
Ah wait, there are several inventions I can think of. Inventive excuse after excuse.
There's something in the denials that are a little atypical when it comes to the wider world. Only found so abundantly in Korea.
I guess that's how people get on. |
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Ozabout7or8
Joined: 04 May 2007
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Koreans Invented Taekwondo
Koreans Invented the world's first observatory (I saw it in Kyung Ju)
Koreans Invented the "Website attack" where a website is emailed until the server overloads
Koreans Invented their own traditional style of Clothing - the Hanbok - which alot of other cultures/countries cannot claim to have done.
Koreans Invented the Myriad of different food preparations and methods they use, not all of which were borrowed from overseas.
Koreans Invented the Ondol underfloor heating method independently
And that is just off the top of my head... |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Koreans Invented Taekwondo |
Whoa! Are you brave opening up this big can of rotten worms here. Do you even know WHO "invented" Taekwondo" or why for that matter? Dare I say the infamous first president of Korea, Syngman Rhee.
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| On April 28, a DC-4 belonging to the CIA - operated Civil Air Transport whisked Rhee out of South Korea and away from the clutches of a lynch mob that was closing in. Kim Yong Kap, Rhee's Deputy Minister of Finance, revealed that President Rhee had embezzled $20 million in government funds. Rhee, his Austrian-born wife, Franziska Donner, and adopted son lived in exile in Honolulu, Hawaii. |
Any why would he "invent" Taekwondo?!" It's certainly not a traditional sport of Korea.
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| In spite of Korea's rich history of ancient and tradition martial arts, Korean martial arts faded into obscurity during the Chosun Dynasty. Korean society became highly centralized under Korean Confucianism and martial arts were lowly regarded in a society whose ideals were epitomized by its scholar-kings. Remnants of traditional martial arts such as Subak and Taekkyon were banned from practice by the general populace and reserved for sanctioned military uses although folk practice by the common populace still persisted into the 19th century...By the end of the Korean War, nine martial arts schools (translated as kwan) had opened, and South Korean President Syngman Rhee ordered that the various schools unify under a single system. A governmental body, selected a naming committee's submission of "tae-kwon-do... |
If I were you, I wouldn't walk around Korea saying, "Koreans invented Taekwondo." Real traditional martial arts experts in Korea might have something to say about that subject. |
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Roch
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: Re: the west learned from the east |
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The west also, for centuries during their middle ages, absorbed much of the creativity and inventiveness of the Fertile Crescent and East Asia. A lot of this was reverse engineered and newly labelled as western inventions, go figure.
So the creative spark that created the modern world we live in today was created outside of europe, from the agricuture products to paper, to guns, to the crank shaft, to the domestication of plants and animals, all were imported from outside of europe. |
Most of the grains (domesticated plants) and livestock (domesticated animals) originated in the fertile crescent. Thus those areas have a much longer history and head start in developing these technologies.
But your post appears to negate the hegemony that western technology holds over this globe with the notion that all of this success can be traced back (however miniscule) to areas outsode of Europe.
Perhaps the seed and even the early growth was planted elsewhere, but you can't deny the incredible success that the West has had.
Just go out on the street in Seoul and look around you. From the cars, to the appartments, to the clothing, to the cell phones, to the hair styles, to the city planning, to the subways, to the buses, ect.....
....these all originate in the West.
The premier hospotials and universities in Korea all have westerners behind their establishment.
Even South Korean coorperations like Samsung and Hyundai could not have started up with out a western buisness model and more importantly western money. |
I agree that the west, while inheriting the inventions that made modernity possible, were able to run with it and then dominate inventiveness for the last 400 years. my point was only that the creative spark that led to modernity itself was not only via the western mind but a collective undertaking of the peoples in the euroasian continent. |
The first personal computer marketed by a Korean company was stolen lock, stock, and barrell from I.B.M.
As I recall, the Korean company was known as L.G. or Lucky Goldstar - a chaebol made by a criminal-minded guy with zero amount of business and construction knowledge who lied through his teeth to get the construction contracts on U.S. bases that supplied his firm with the dosh to further swindle working people in the U.S. out of even more of their tax dollars in future for other business projects. That Cheong Wah Dae was in on his criminal exploits in raping American and other Westerners for their tax dollars speaks volumes about this culture's absolute lack of ethics and rapacious greed.
There are excellent reasons to think that caucasians were superior in most ways in comparison to the Far East from the date that particular caucasoid ethnic groups made their respective European civilizations, which were, as many acknowledge, barely extant when the bands of Mongoloid tribes under their mafia-like bureaucracies were making paper and other basic inventions in the Far East. That is, there were very few human beings living in what's now known as Europe let alone groups with a defacto sense of nationhood and common culture when the Han Chinese were the unrivaled ethnic group in Eastern Asia.
The bottom line is the Far East was populated by Homo Sapiens Sapiens long before the tides of whites settled the western reaches of the land mass now known as Europe.
In addition, the so-called Barbarians that had so many conflicts with the Romans were not as backwards as Gibbon, et-al, argue.
In any case, Roma was at least as good if not more advanced as anything in what's now known as China, Korea, India, and Japan.
PM me for a more detailed breakdown of my argument.
Sincerely,
R
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Koreans Invented the "Website attack" where a website is emailed until the server overloads |
Lovely!  Look, I'm not even going to try and pretend to know what you are talking about. It sounds a awful lot like a virus. It's not exactly something to be proud of, to invent a computer virus. 
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| Koreans Invented their own traditional style of Clothing - the Hanbok - which alot of other cultures/countries cannot claim to have done. |
Who's putting these ideas in your head?
Most (if not, all) countries have their own traditional styles of clothing and many of them are much older than the hanbok. lol. Take a good look at many of your Chinese or Japanese traditional costumes and you'll see quite a bit of similarities between all of them. Ideas were obviously shared.
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| Koreans Invented the Myriad of different food preparations and methods they use, not all of which were borrowed from overseas. |
All countries/cultures have their own unique food items. However, I cannot think of one single popular Korean food dish that does not have any outside or western influence. Maybe a professional chef...
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| Koreans Invented the Ondol underfloor heating method independently |
The idea came from ancient Romans who were in Korea and had a similar system in place.
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Roch
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Koreans Invented the "Website attack" where a website is emailed until the server overloads |
Lovely! :shock: Look, I'm not even going to try and pretend to know what you are talking about. It sounds a awful lot like a virus. It's not exactly something to be proud of, to invent a computer virus. :lol: |
Only Asians would be proud of something as dastardly as this.
Then again, being a cheat and a pr8ck is normal over here and I will not refrain from noticing this basic fact of Asian societies.
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mercury
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Koreans Invented Taekwondo
Koreans Invented the world's first observatory (I saw it in Kyung Ju)
Koreans Invented the "Website attack" where a website is emailed until the server overloads
Koreans Invented their own traditional style of Clothing - the Hanbok - which alot of other cultures/countries cannot claim to have done.
Koreans Invented the Myriad of different food preparations and methods they use, not all of which were borrowed from overseas.
Koreans Invented the Ondol underfloor heating method independently
And that is just off the top of my head... |
this guy is really a frog in a well.
Korean martial arts are copy cats of Chinese martial arts. Just like most everything else in Korea..........but you must give Rome credit for the floor heating......
in building construction, open space below a floor that is heated by gases from a fire or furnace below and that allows the passage of hot air to heat the room above. This type of heating was developed by the Romans, who used it not only in the warm and hot rooms of the baths but also almost universally in private houses in the northern provinces. |
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komerican
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: the west learned from the east |
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| as I've pointed of what you said is really just your own opinion. I would say about 95% of it is with a few facts and no supportive evidence. If you want to write a thesis or disertation to explain why Korea has not been inventive over the centuries, at least try and do some original research on the topic before you go blabbing on and on like this. |
it's interesting how you ask me to provide "supportive evidence" and yet you don't seem to feel it's necessary to provide your own. And yet you would be the one deriding koreans for having "unfounded" beliefs. Where are your sources? Some of the sources I've used are "Lost Discoveries" by D!ck Teresi and "Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies" by Jared Diamond. BTW, both guns and steel were invented outside of europe, as were gunpowder and bullets. |
First of all, you are misquoting me all over the place here.
Second of all, I'm not trying to tell long drawn out stories about why Korea has or has not been inventive in world history. Therefore, I see no need to ramble on as self proclaimed expert as you have done. Scroll up and you'll see that I mearly used sources to point out the facts. You are not pointing out any fact, but rather your opinions based on a few books you read. You don't know enough to make these kinds of statements you are making unless you've done original research. Do you have any idea what original research means? It doesn't mean reading someone's book about their opinions. Anyway, I at least used references for any facts that's I've stated here on this thread. I didn't try and explain why Korea has not invented much of anything in world history. I'm not an expert scholar on that subject. Judging by your writing, you are not an expert on the subject either. |
requiring original research to make a point on a message board is a bit absurd. Of course merely pointing to a book as a resource doesn't end any controversy, books can be wrong. I'm merely giving my opinion which is backed by some of the things I've read on this topic. If you don't accept it fine. For those that are interested in this topic,perhaps a book like "Lost discoveries" might shed some light on how inventions outside of europe were responsible for the modern age we live in today.
also, keep in mind though that I haven't seen you back up your statements with "original research" and I doubt you'll do so in the future.
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Perhaps you ought to start with yourself and back this up with "original research", lol. |
You want original research to prove two related topics that are already common knowledge throughout the world. Now that is really absurd. Well, If you insist:
1.) I saw dogs being butchered in front of other dogs and the meat sold for human consumption on the streets at the Yusong market. I've also seen a few "dog farms" for the oh so famous boshintang restaurants that are all over Korea. That is my original research.
2.) I've counted the number of articles on the internet related to the cloning of snuppy. It comes up to 2567. Not really, but who needs to prove that when it's common knowledge. 
Komerican, you don't know what original research is or why it is used. Take a grad. school class in Research Methods and Stats. Buddy, I've done plenty of my own original research. It's really not that difficult. I've taken enough research courses in graduate school to learn how to not talk or write like a moron as you have done. I guess you haven't been to a good grad. school in the USA or you wouldn't be getting this defensive with me. BTW, reading someone's book about their opinions is not considered original research. You started by stating a large number of things that are not facts, yet you spoke as if they were. Then you draw up your own conclusions as if they should not be debated. You gave no URL links. You have no quotes. You simply say you read a few books and therefore you are extremely knowledgeable now so your opinions should be taken as gospel. How do you manage to walk around with such a big head on your little shoulders? It must me a lot of work to carry that much weight around. |
books? I guess you're right. Books aren't "original research". I'll burn my books right away. The first book to go will be the "on origin of the species" by darwin. I'll charter a flight to south america and do some "original research". I'll be back in about 10 years. I won't write what I learned in one of those useless "books" umm. what I'll do is put it on utube. After that I'll go to egypt to do some more "original research".
Btw, you went to grad school. did you use books there too? how awful. I'm sure you despised your profs for using such useless tools.
but seriously, it's hugely ironic that you're a teacher who believes that books don't contain original research. I mean what do you use in your class? I read those books and they're on point. If you want to disagree then fine. The opinions I have were formed before reading those books but they also confirmed by them. actually, you should be thanking me for mentioning the books.
btw, I notice that your "original research" consists of siting internet resources. which is fine but I don't see how that is better than books. At least I paid for my books and that money gets to the author of that book. and as for citing URL links, it's a book, the contents are not on the internet. guess what, you're going to have to actually buy it to read it. |
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Alyallen
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Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Konglish...
A language all its own |
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Scotticus
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The idea came from ancient Romans who were in Korea and had a similar system in place. |
What are you people smoking about ancient Romans being in Korea? Only recently was it even proven that Romans ever made it to China. I've studied Rome and NEVER seen anything about Romans being in Korea. Sounds like a waygook overcompensation. Please, if anyone can give me a link showing the Romans ever made it to Korea, I'd love to see it.
Mind you, I'm not saying Korea invented the floor heating, I'm just saying that they didn't steal it from some mysterious group of Romans that somehow teleported to Korea. |
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| I love this thread. It drew all the haters, pseudo-intellectuals, whiners, morons, petty little people. |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Ozabout7or8 wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
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| Movable metal type printing press. An upgrade on the wood/clay ones the Chinese were using. |
Yeah, I know about that - not an invention really, but just copying another country's invention and just improving upon it.
Thanks in any case for replying though.
Anyone got anything else?
Looks like I will have to stick to saying that Korea invented hangeul, which while awesome, is not exactly known in other countries. Sigh. |
And the electric lightbulb was an improvement on the oil lamp.
After all isn't the internal combustion engine just an improvement on the lever.
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Sarcasim right? If not, you should know there is a clear difference between improving on something and inventing something new. Ask a patent attorney. |
And there is a huge difference between Patenting something and inventing something, ask Ben Franklin.
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cbclark4
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Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| I love this thread. It drew all the haters, pseudo-intellectuals, whiners, morons, petty little people. |
Thank you.
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