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gdnchg



Joined: 20 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:15 am    Post subject: Mixed offspring in Korea Reply with quote

Hey guys,

Are any of you out there married to Korean spouses? Do you have children?
Since Korea is homogeneous, I've heard that children of international marriages face severe discrimination. For those of you in this situation, has Korean society accepted your children as equals? What are some of your experiences and do you think Korean can change.....
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a mixed-race kid in my school. Her father is Anglo-American; Korean mom. She is in third grade. She seems happy and sociable to me. I noticed she participated in the traditional Korean dance and other festivities on sports day. She is bilingual.

Koreans are prone to theories of racial status, and they think white people are near the top. It might be more difficult for a mixed race child with a non-white parent.

There was a Japanese/Korean kid in my school last year, who also seemed to do well socially.
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lostinseoul77777



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul, Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The situation is improving, but frankly, it still has a long way to go. Until recently, Korean society discriminated against mixed-race children and adults. But like I said, the situation is improving with people like Heinz Ward and other mixed-race celebrities campaigning for equality.
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Axl Rose



Joined: 16 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luvnpeas wrote:

Koreans are prone to theories of racial status, and they think white people are near the top.


HAHAHA! Laughing Is that so? Let me take a wild guess here - who's at the very top of the species, the finest in genetic stock humanity has to offer and light unto the nations? Is it.....is it.....by any remote chance.....Koreans??

I wonder what their basis for comparison is. Certainly not Empire size. Pretty much anything connected with size must be ruled out, come to think of it.

Anyway, moving swiftly on, I know a half American (white)/half Korean middle school boy and he doesn't appear to have any significant problems. Very predictably, although others don't share this sense of inevitability, he's quite the celebrity. I would imagine having ancestory in a superpower nation is a source of pride for the young guy as he looks around his classroom and sees a monotonous blur of bespectacled little ramyeon slurpers. He does get referred to - and indeed refers to himself - as half-blood, but that's not the cause for offence in Korea as it is in the West.
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denistron



Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Axl Rose wrote:
luvnpeas wrote:

Koreans are prone to theories of racial status, and they think white people are near the top.


HAHAHA! Laughing Is that so? Let me take a wild guess here - who's at the very top of the species, the finest in genetic stock humanity has to offer and light unto the nations? Is it.....is it.....by any remote chance.....Koreans??

I wonder what their basis for comparison is. Certainly not Empire size. Pretty much anything connected with size must be ruled out, come to think of it.

Anyway, moving swiftly on, I know a half American (white)/half Korean middle school boy and he doesn't appear to have any significant problems. Very predictably, although others don't share this sense of inevitability, he's quite the celebrity. I would imagine having ancestory in a superpower nation is a source of pride for the young guy as he looks around his classroom and sees a monotonous blur of bespectacled little ramyeon slurpers. He does get referred to - and indeed refers to himself - as half-blood, but that's not the cause for offence in Korea as it is in the West.


haha Very Happy
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although some like Homer* would disagree, I don't think it's fair to subject my mixed-race son to the crap that kids like him experience here in the schooling system. We have two such children here at the expensive private school that I teach at, and seeing the crap that they have gone through has informed this decision. This is from a school where the kids have mostly traveled and should have an appreciation of different cultures. And while I do believe that Korea is making small, incrimental steps forward in this area, I feel there exists sufficient bias against students of non-Korean background to not want to put my son through this system. Moreover, I have seen social studies syllabi here that makes my hair stand on end with its references to the minjok (race), pure blood and its roots in Nazi eugenics. To that end, my family and I will be leaving Korea at the end of this contract.

*Not that there is anything wrong with that, our experiences have just differed. All the best who choose to stay here and educate their mixed-race kids in this country. It should make the place a lot more tollerable.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it matters

My Boy is being positively discriminated "ALL THE TIME".

He is turning into a spoiled brat.
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
Although some like Homer* would disagree, I don't think it's fair to subject my mixed-race son to the crap that kids like him experience here in the schooling system. We have two such children here at the expensive private school that I teach at, and seeing the crap that they have gone through has informed this decision. This is from a school where the kids have mostly traveled and should have an appreciation of different cultures. And while I do believe that Korea is making small, incrimental steps forward in this area, I feel there exists sufficient bias against students of non-Korean background to not want to put my son through this system. Moreover, I have seen social studies syllabi here that makes my hair stand on end with its references to the minjok (race), pure blood and its roots in Nazi eugenics. To that end, my family and I will be leaving Korea at the end of this contract.

*Not that there is anything wrong with that, our experiences have just differed. All the best who choose to stay here and educate their mixed-race kids in this country. It should make the place a lot more tollerable.


I just thought I'd toss in this comment I read in an article about Insooni

from:
http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20060212/480100000020060212100028E3.html

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Insooni sends her daughter to a foreign school in Seoul since she is reluctant to have her face the prejudice that still exists among some local children.
"It was heartbreaking to think my daughter that looks like me could be looked down on by her school friends. I didn't want to leave my country, but also I didn't want my daughter to go through that," she said.


This is a rich and successful singer who won't send her kid to a regular school. I'm also assuming that her child is at least 1/4 Black...


More (well...not much) information about Insooni here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insooni
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insooni first came out in 78? Man...must've caused a stir.


As far as the kids go, I imagine it's different depending on which race their mixed with and how good looking they are. A good-looking kid mixed with a white parent, fuhggedaboutit.

Race is complicated in Korea, just like America. Look at the way Americans simultaneously worship and abhor black culture.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
Insooni first came out in 78? Man...must've caused a stir.


As far as the kids go, I imagine it's different depending on which race their mixed with and how good looking they are. A good-looking kid mixed with a white parent, fuhggedaboutit.

Race is complicated in Korea, just like America. Look at the way Americans simultaneously worship and abhor black culture.


Indeed...

As far as culture worship, Korea's the same way....
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also leaving Korea weithin the next 3 years. My wife is expecting and due later this year. I don't mind him/her living here for a bit. He/she might get a few odd comments, but nothing to get feathers ruffled over.

In the school system, no way. The school system here is bad enough, teaching useless outdated education, add racism into the mix, it makes it not worth staying here.

Last I heard, foreign schools are about 20 million won a year and up. That idea's out too.
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xtchr



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I taught in rural schools last year and in one class there were two Korean-Philipino kids. The other children referred to them as 'monkeys', which went unchecked by the Korean teacher. She told me, in a loud voice in front of the whole class "they are not proper Korean, they are dark". And she shuddered while she emphasised the last word. Rolling Eyes
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xtchr wrote:
I taught in rural schools last year and in one class there were two Korean-Philipino kids. The other children referred to them as 'monkeys', which went unchecked by the Korean teacher. She told me, in a loud voice in front of the whole class "they are not proper Korean, they are dark". And she shuddered while she emphasised the last word. Rolling Eyes


You should tell her she is less than human and deserves to be a "comfort woman" because she isn't Japanese. What a horrible story.

I think this is one thing little kids can teach adults. Little kids care less about race and appearance--they are mostly interested in whether you are someone they can play with. They can certainly be insensitive, but that is because they are impulsive and don't understand the effect that actions can have on people, not because they are more biased.

I think the psychological motivations for racism kick in later, and are probably sexual. Adolescence makes us evil.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luvnpeas wrote:
xtchr wrote:
I taught in rural schools last year and in one class there were two Korean-Philipino kids. The other children referred to them as 'monkeys', which went unchecked by the Korean teacher. She told me, in a loud voice in front of the whole class "they are not proper Korean, they are dark". And she shuddered while she emphasised the last word. Rolling Eyes


You should tell her she is less than human and deserves to be a "comfort woman" because she isn't Japanese. What a horrible story.

I think this is one thing little kids can teach adults. Little kids care less about race and appearance--they are mostly interested in whether you are someone they can play with. They can certainly be insensitive, but that is because they are impulsive and don't understand the effect that actions can have on people, not because they are more biased.

I think the psychological motivations for racism kick in later, and are probably sexual. Adolescence makes us evil.


As much as the quip amuses me, it would do nothing but increase the spiral of animosity. Better to let the ignorant sow live her miserable life.
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Ozabout7or8



Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: NZ

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
As much as the quip amuses me, it would do nothing but increase the spiral of animosity. Better to let the ignorant sow live her miserable life.


Doubt it Harry. The world will never change with attitudes like yours Jag.

Maybe there are better or worse ways to stick your beak in, but if at all possible (and whilst guarding your own employment) I would encourage all people to do it every time in order to defend justice in situations such as this.

People in small towns everywhere on the globe can often be oblivious to the chasm between their views and those of the wider community.
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