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contrarian
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| I don't know and I don't care. It is totally irrelevant to me. |
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Bramble
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Bramble
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| I'm not a vegan, nor do I advocate a strictly vegan diet. I'm sure that it is suitable for some people who can handle the extra austerity that it requires ... |
http://veganstore.com/food-items.html |
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Bramble
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Plants are indeed living beings, but their consciousness is much less developed than higher animals - so it's not as violent to kill them. Nonetheless, there is some karmic reaction, which can be remedied by preparing vegetarian food as a devotional offering to God ... |
And does your god eat the food? |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think that most modern vegans depend too much on soy bean products, which may be more suitable for animals than humans ...
Krishna can "eat" food offered to him by any of his unlimited transcendental senses (eg: glancing at the offering plate or hearing the prayers made...)
There are also accounts of devotional offerings mysteriously vanishing at various temples in India. (Hey, nothing is impossible for God ...)
Here's one account regarding milk offered to Ganesh (of course, demigod worshippers are spiritually less intelligent, so even I'm a bit skeptical of this one...)http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/lg/lg_preface_milk-miracle.html
George Harrison was especially enthusiastic about vegetarian food offered to Krishna (prasadam...)http://www.krishnatemple.com/manor/harrison/gh-food.shtm |
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Xian
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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(Aside from a few accidents, I've had no meat, fish, or eggs for over 30 years...)
I agree with organized efforts to stop abuse and ultimate slaughtering of cows by the dairy industry, but I don't agree with propaganda made by vegans that cows' milk is not naturally intended for human consumption.
Since Vedic times, cows milk has provided essential nourishment for humans - especially kids - and cows were specially protected by farmers.
Nowadays, it's much more difficult to protect cows - even in India - without substantial subsidies to cover expenses...
Plants are indeed living beings, but their consciousness is much less developed than higher animals - so it's not as violent to kill them. Nonetheless, there is some karmic reaction, which can be remedied by preparing vegetarian food as a devotional offering to God ... |
So a little violence is ok then? Sounds like a few evolution overtones with 'survival of the fittest'. Its ok to kill if the violence is only a little bit. If its those that have less of a consciousness about them. You say that they have some consciousness.
Also, if there is some karmic reaction, in that belief system it is something to avoid ideally, but in the name of survival, killing would have to occur because you would have to eat either animals or plants. If all are living, then killing is killing, its sounds like a double standard made because it would be impossible in that belief system to survive without killing something that has some life in it.
It also implies that you cannot avoid bad Karma as a result of this killing. If you tried to avoid it, all plant life would never be destroyed and I can't imagine where you would ever get food from? |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Bhakti yoga is a devotional process - essentially the same devotional process taught in a simpler form by Jesus...
In the Vedic view, all lifeforms have souls. Obviously, the arrangement in nature is that one species of life is food for another...
Each species has its own natural quota of what types of food it can eat. Many animals are carnivores, and many are vegetarians or herbivores...
Normally, animals don't transgress laws of nature, and they incur no sinful reactions (automatically transmigrating to a species with the next higher developed level of conscioiusness their next life...)
Only humans have the potential for fully developed conciousness required for religious and philosophical thought. Human life is more important than animal life because we have to discharge duties of a higher order to attain self-realization and understanding (and love) of God...
However, our natural quota for food generally does not include animal flesh (mainly just in emergencies...) We should understand that killing an animal interferes with its natural spirtitual evolution (it will have to take birth again in the same species to live out it's predetermined number of breaths...)
Like I said before, we do get sinful reactions from killing plantlife if we don't first offer the food for God's pleasure... (And minimizing violence is usually a good idea ...) |
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