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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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1. If you guys don't see the most important element to the Carter criticism, that's a sign that you don't understand what's going on right now. Carter's presidency was a disaster. His foreign policy even more so. Carter lecturing anyone on who to support based on who is good and 'moral' is an equal joke. The issue in this case, though, with THESE criticisms, is that just about all of them can be not only debated, but in many cases strongly supported.
When a president with Carter's awful record can say with a more than a degree of plausibility that the Bush administration has been one of, if not the worst in history, THAT"S HUGE. It shows just how bad it is. It might just be a case of a person recognizing their kinsmen; 'it takes one to know one,' kind of thing.
2. Carter's lack of success in office don't make his criticisms any less legitimate, and to attack the man, rather than the criticisms is a disservice to your country (for those that are Americans participating in this discussion). Socially and on foreign policy the bush admin has been a disaster.
3. and this is the most pressing fact, nothing carter did, nor do ALL of Carter's f-ups, equal the disaster that is Iraq. And that's ignoring all of Bush's domestic f-ups as well as other foreign policy f-ups.
4. Cumings is a man that should not be said to be left-wing. His assessment of korean events is ALL over the place. As for attacking Gaddis, there isn't a serious leading foreign policy or historical scholar who hasn't been attacking Gaddis for about the last 8 years. |
Letting Khomeni come to power was a huge F Up. Worse. than anything Bush did. Besides ignoring what was going on in the mideast is what caused 9-11.
If the US had grabbed Khomeni and threw him into a secret prison somewhere then the US would be far better off today. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| Freethought wrote: |
| Cumings is a man that should not be said to be left-wing... |
ROFL.
Abolishing CIA and outlawing any and all govt and/or business consulting relationships and then abolishing all social-sciences and forcing everyone into a Marxian political-economy dept. do not strike you as a wild-eyed radical's wet-dream?
Actually, I sometimes forget just how far to the left most who post here go. So indeed Cumings -- esp. his ideas and his tone -- probably sounds perectly reasonable to you.
Still ROFL, however. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
W. Bush is not leading but rather dividing. No one has done this so well since Nixon. And perhaps W. Bush excels Nixon's talent in this regard. We ought to recognize this achievement.  |
this i absolutely agree with. The secrecy and total disregard for the rule of law of the current admin is so Nixonian its not funny. Imagine Nixon in this age. Scary huh?
Somebody high in the Democractic party up has to call these guys on it . Clinton wont because he wont violate Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment "thou shall not speak ill of a fellow republican". Lets face it as Jim Hightower said "Bill Clinton is the best Republican President we've had". So that leaves Carter.
Now for the rest of the Dems to pound this message and give us a reason to vote democractic |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| ...Lets face it as Jim Hightower said "Bill Clinton is the best Republican President we've had". |
Hogwonguy: Bill Clinton will not because he is a respectable elder statesman and Carter is just not acting as one these days. And in fact, Clinton was a Democratic and not a Republican president -- and a first-rate one at that. He left the country in better shape than it was when he entered the Oval Office.
I cannot stand Democracts when they talk this way. They only recognize radicals as valid Democrats. They prefer constant dissenting, sneering, and insulting others over cool professionalism and a willingness to compromise with those who do not hold their views. And they seem to despise America, too -- esp. those like the dirt-driven, muckraking Michael Moore who show no evidence that there is a single thing they like about the United States.
Mostly for these reasons, I now stand with the Republicans.
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher:
Well stated but it will fall on deaf ears, so to speak, with many on this board who so fervently believe they are correct that it entitles them to be louts.
Carter is a self-promoter first and a statesman second. He doesn't know how to be gracious in defeat, as he (and his wife even moreso) showed after the 1980 election.
His most recent book on the Middle East led to defections in his own staff at the Carter Center for its deliberate inaccuracies and plagiarism. For Carter, the ends justify the means.
Clinton did some good things. I'd love to sit down at a bar with him and just shoot the breeze. People on both sides of the aisle say the same of Bush. But I never hear people say they'd like to sit down with Carter, which says a lot.
And as much as people used to chide Bush for showing a lack of humility and admitting to mistakes (something he has since done), Carter hasn't ever done the same about his disastrous term in office. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Let's see: Jimmy Carter-- unemployment at about 7.1%. Inflation at about 6%. The Soviet Union on the march in Latin America and eslewhere. Iran, once a stable nation, in the hands of religoius looneys.The American Military is disarray, a total hollow shell. The American nation on the decline. Diplomats being held hostage.
GW Bush--unemployment at about 4.1% ( full employment)
Inflation at about.5%. NO MORE SOVIET UNION. Terrorists being killed at a rather high rate ( after all, you can't do these things without loses). The economy good. The American military- the strongest in the world. The American nation NOT on the decline. No attacks on the US since 9/11.
Carter is getting SENILE. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Jimmy Carter tosses a few well roasted peanuts. When I read some of his more recent utterance I toss my cookies (barf). |
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