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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: Dokdo battle spills onto Wikipedia |
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A natural enough place for it, I guess. But it's a new move for a reporter -- not opinion columnist -- to send his readers into battle. Read all about it at Korea Beat:
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However, it appears that the conclusion of the balloting will be to change Wikipedia�s formal designation of Dokdo to �Liancourt Rocks�. A large number of Japanese are writing insisting that the name �Liancourt Rocks� be used instead of the name used by the internationally nearly powerless Korea.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Dokdo battle spills onto Wikipedia |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
A natural enough place for it, I guess. But it's a new move for a reporter -- not opinion columnist -- to send his readers into battle. Read all about it at Korea Beat:
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However, it appears that the conclusion of the balloting will be to change Wikipedia�s formal designation of Dokdo to �Liancourt Rocks�. A large number of Japanese are writing insisting that the name �Liancourt Rocks� be used instead of the name used by the internationally nearly powerless Korea.
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Ah the old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" voting strategy. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not a vote but a discussion...and it's locked right now because one of the higher ranking members noticed that a lot of 'votes' being left for Dokdo had no comments to them, a sign that non-native speakers of English (ie. Koreans) were freeping. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, the newspaper article really messed up in giving the impression that this was a vote that people could spam like the Time 100. Here are some of my favourite comments:
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Support WHO HAVE MOST CONCERN ABOUT THIS ISSUE? IF NAME HAS CHANGED, WHO'S GONNA HAVE MORE TERRITORY IN THE EAST SEA? WHY THERE WERE WORLD WAR 2?
Support Dockdo is belong to Korea. Japan is very bad to steal dockdo. Let's punish Japan and keep Dokdo!!
Support Why? Name of dokdo is that argue some? dokdo is dokdo. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Support Why? Name of dokdo is that argue some? dokdo is dokdo. |
Gotta love nationalism, Konglish style.
Can anyone here give us a short-version description on (a) Japan's claims to Dokdo; (b) South Korea's claims to Dokdo; and (c) what fabulous prizes await whoever ultimately gains Dokdo as a possession...? |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Although some people on this board don't seem to like www.occidentalism.org it has excellent information on the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute. Gerry Beavers has done his homework clearly.
In my opinion, Korea's arguments amount to nothing. This is not because I hate Korea. It is simply because they really don't have any real evidence to claim Dokdo. They are using it as a political device to whip up Nationalism and hatred for Japan. Sort of like the Falkland islands and Argentina. It will only lead to disaster for Korea.
Check it out anyway and make up your own mind. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
| Although some people on this board don't seem to like www.occidentalism.org it has excellent information on the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute. Gerry Beavers has done his homework clearly. |
And a great pity that he has paid dearly for it here in Korea. It's not just the Dokdo issue; in Wikipedia, there are fights everywhere. The East Sea/Sea of Japan; Imjin War/Hideyoshi's Invasion of Korea; bungeoppang/taiyaki among many others. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Although some people on this board don't seem to like www.occidentalism.org it has excellent information on the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute. Gerry Beavers has done his homework clearly.
In my opinion, Korea's arguments amount to nothing. This is not because I hate Korea. It is simply because they really don't have any real evidence to claim Dokdo. They are using it as a political device to whip up Nationalism and hatred for Japan. Sort of like the Falkland islands and Argentina. It will only lead to disaster for Korea.
Check it out anyway and make up your own mind. |
The only evidence it needs is that Korean cops/soldiers are there 24/7. Right or wrong (more of it is wrong than right), the rest is just agitprop. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Although some people on this board don't seem to like www.occidentalism.org it has excellent information on the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute. Gerry Beavers has done his homework clearly.
In my opinion, Korea's arguments amount to nothing. This is not because I hate Korea. It is simply because they really don't have any real evidence to claim Dokdo. They are using it as a political device to whip up Nationalism and hatred for Japan. Sort of like the Falkland islands and Argentina. It will only lead to disaster for Korea.
Check it out anyway and make up your own mind. |
Japan lost any claims after the end of WWII. Korea has claimed it, backed up their claims with an occupation, and good for them.
The Japanese can argue about it all they like, but they're wasting their time. Korea will never be forced diplomatically to "give back" Dokdo.
If the Japanese want it they will have to take it, which isn't going to happen. That makes the argument pretty pointless.
Dokdo is part of Korea, end of story. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: |
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It is not over. It's Japan's duty to continue to fight it, and not let Korea get away with theft. Also they are in a land claim with China (not sure about it so I won't comment on it) and one with Russia too. They can't give this one up.
I think Korea can be forced to give it over. Other countries can put a trade embargo on them. But they're too benevolent. It's not likely to happen. But I hope it does.
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Although some people on this board don't seem to like www.occidentalism.org it has excellent information on the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute. Gerry Beavers has done his homework clearly.
In my opinion, Korea's arguments amount to nothing. This is not because I hate Korea. It is simply because they really don't have any real evidence to claim Dokdo. They are using it as a political device to whip up Nationalism and hatred for Japan. Sort of like the Falkland islands and Argentina. It will only lead to disaster for Korea.
Check it out anyway and make up your own mind. |
Japan lost any claims after the end of WWII. Korea has claimed it, backed up their claims with an occupation, and good for them.
The Japanese can argue about it all they like, but they're wasting their time. Korea will never be forced diplomatically to "give back" Dokdo.
If the Japanese want it they will have to take it, which isn't going to happen. That makes the argument pretty pointless.
Dokdo is part of Korea, end of story. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
| It is not over. It's Japan's duty to continue to fight it, and not let Korea get away with theft. Also they are in a land claim with China (not sure about it so I won't comment on it) and one with Russia too. They can't give this one up. |
What?!
Japan's duty? Theft? What are you talking about?
There was no theft. Japan started a war and lost. They then lost all rights they might have had to Dokdo. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: yes |
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So let me get this straight...if a country loses a war, they also have to lose land that they are legally entitled to?
They discovered Takeshima around 1905, and claimed it because it was uninhabited. The only reason Korea now holds it is because they went there in navy boats and machine gunned Japanese fishermen and took it by force. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: |
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After a war the boundaries are redrawn. If you lose territory you no longer have any"legal" right to it.
I don't hear Germany asking for part of Poland (the area that used to be part of Prussia) back, or Mexico asking for part of the US back, or the UK asking for their part of the US back. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
After a war the boundaries are redrawn. If you lose territory you no longer have any"legal" right to it.
I don't hear Germany asking for part of Poland (the area that used to be part of Prussia) back, or Mexico asking for part of the US back, or the UK asking for their part of the US back. |
Actually, post-world war II it is a different scenario. Land is not supposed to be kept after war i.e. occupation is unacceptable. As far as these islands, I have no clue if they are for the Koreans or Japanese. I know the Koreans seem to have a presence there, and the Japanese don't, and I haven't heard of any ruling saying Korea is in the wrong. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| I also haven't heard any ruling that says its Korean either. Thery hold it, so they assume its theirs. |
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