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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Allah is another name for Jehovah and God. After that, the Muslims got it all wrong. Mohammad was nothing more than a womanizing tribal warrior. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Darn tootin SM.
And your boy JC was a fraud as well. And moses didn't lead anything through the sand.
It is all a big, man-made sham. A means of social control that facilitates the good/evil dichotomy providing absolute punishments for dreamed up crimes that keep the masses in line.
It is so silly... muslims pray 5 times a day to a white wall. Catholics eat and drink Jesus. Christians pray to an idiot who didn't fight back when being tortured to death.
Why does this narrative work? Why the glorification of submission and obedience? Who would this have served? Nietzsche, rightly, pegged it as a slave ideology that is designed to keep slaves in line by giving moral superiority to their position. A cookie for your suffering, boys?
So, yeah. dd, prove god exists. Go for it. But all religions as we know them are man-made justifications for totalitarian systems and little more.
dd, you don't see that because you are blind to the reality of our existence:
We die, we turn to dust. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Covered by the mode of ignorance, people in the bodily conception of life don't realize that "they" are in fact the atomic spirit-soul that never dies, was never born, and has transmigrated to many different material bodies, which it has animated with different levels of consciousness...
Generally, before being "born" in a particular body one remembers past lives, but the birth trauma wipes out most memories from our normal consciousness...
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Nietzsche, rightly, pegged it as a slave ideology that is designed to keep slaves in line by giving moral superiority to their position. |
You skimmed Nietzsche, didn't you? |
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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There are only two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle,
The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Albert Einstein |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Allah is another name for Jehovah and God. After that, the Muslims got it all wrong. Mohammad was nothing more than a womanizing tribal warrior. |
Atheist! Infidel! |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD:
Still have that arrogant streak of youth in you, eh?
What in Christ's life was found wanting?
I can't prove what is in essence an article of Faith.
And even if I could, I wouldn't.
One comes to God through the Son and through the Heart and the Spirit.
Not through the Mind.
You're walking a road that leads to nowhere
but nihilism. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Nietzsche, rightly, pegged it as a slave ideology that is designed to keep slaves in line by giving moral superiority to their position. |
You skimmed Nietzsche, didn't you? |
No, I didn't.
From Wiki:
In the First Treatise Nietzsche traces Christian morality to what he calls the "slave revolt in morality", which is born of the ressentiment experienced by the weak members of society in respect of their strong, aristocratic masters. The morality of the nobles operates with the value-distinction "good/bad", viewing themselves as evidently good and their inferiors as below contempt. The slaves find their subjection to the strong intolerable and thus set up an "imaginary revenge" by labelling the strong as evil and themselves as good, thereby instituting the morality of Christianity, according to which the meek shall inherit the earth.
From Neitzsche:
It was the Jews who, with awe-inspiring consistency, dared to invert the aristocratic value-equation (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = happy = beloved of God) and to hang on to this inversion with their teeth, the teeth of the most abysmal hatred (the hatred of impotence), saying "the wretched alone are the good; the poor, impotent, lowly alone are the good; the suffering, deprived, sick, ugly alone are pious, alone are blessed by God, blessedness is for them alone�and you, the powerful and noble, are on the contrary the evil, the cruel, the lustful, the insatiable, the godless to all eternity; and you shall be in all eternity the unblessed, accursed, and damned!" . . . One knows who inherited this Jewish revaluation . . .
anything to equal the enticing, intoxicating, overwhelming, and undermining power of that symbol of the "holy cross," that ghastly paradox of a "God on the cross," that mystery of an unimaginable ultimate cruelty and self-crucifixion of God for the salvation of man?
"But why are you talking about nobler ideals! Let us stick to the facts: the people have won�or 'the slaves' or 'the mob' or 'the herd' or whatever you like to call them�if this has happened through the Jews, very well! in that case no people ever had a more world-historic mission. 'The masters' have been disposed of; the morality of the common man has won. The 'redemption' of the human race (from 'the masters,' that is) is going forward; everything is visibly becoming Judaized, Christianized, mob-ized (what do the words matter!).
The idea of a "slave morality" grew organically, and has been exploited by institutions of power ever since. The slave morality offers nothing in the way of empowering the masses on earth (they run the show in heaven -- and if meek enough, on earth before that) and is a very useful tool for Power. So, I should have removed "designed", as it is the outcome, not intention.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
but nihilism. |
Rejecting the man-made nonsense of Christianity doesn't lead to nihilism. I don't need to believe in a dude who got nailed to a cross to have meaning, morality or purpose. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD,
That was the most deluded post I've read so far from you. Let me give you a hint as to what I was alluding to....
"You cannot destroy something, unless you replace it."
If you figure that one out, you'll be able to skip all the books I referred you to and multiple texts on comparative religion. One more hint, it has to do with Nietzsche and the "revaluation" of values - a kinda geneology of morals.....
As to your personal attacks (yes, about me personally, quite different than my own which always are about what you write/believe , however heavy handed). Get a life. I know who I am and especially don't bend to those who wave a flag of entitlement. I'll leave you with another hint "don't let your schooling get in the way of your education."
DD |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Don't cry. I can take, and give it. You, you little bitch, can only give and then cry "personal attack". I believe you have called me every bad name in the book and you come back crying. Pansy.
The religious myths are just that. Myths. Nothing more, nothing less. Like the Cat in the Hat, a story. I've made no statement as to what I believe to be True, as I wouldn't be so arrogant as to assume that mind could find it. We are in-evolution. Wandering around staring at the sky, presupposing ourselves into our ideas of above. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
Albert Einstein |
I f-ing LOVE Al! That dude say the smartest things all the time.
I'd bet when he'd take a big dump he'd find the most poetic way to say "ahh, that felt great!". |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Reminds me of Esperantists and Interlinguists.
a - our language is better because it's so systematic and regular. You'll never find an exception here. Language b is rife with exceptions. Look, an irregularity!
b - our language is better because you can read it at first sight. Language a can never be read at first sight. Look, a word that cannot be read at first sight! |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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My question is: How can god exist really?
Take a country like Somalia for example.....
Most of the people living there survive off minimal food and clean water daily...the rest are fighting a civil war in the name of god, yet ALL of them are devout followers of god who live thier lives based on the teachings ofe Muhammed and Allah.....
Where is the hand of god for those people who face nothing but the threat of starvation or slaughter on a dialy basis??
Also, how can wars be fought IN THE NAME OF GOD????
People fight wars over things that don't exist: Borders, Wealth, and GOD.... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| mcgeezer wrote: |
My question is: How can god exist really?
Take a country like Somalia for example.....
Most of the people living there survive off minimal food and clean water daily...the rest are fighting a civil war in the name of god, yet ALL of them are devout followers of god who live thier lives based on the teachings ofe Muhammed and Allah.....
Where is the hand of god for those people who face nothing but the threat of starvation or slaughter on a dialy basis??
Also, how can wars be fought IN THE NAME OF GOD????
People fight wars over things that don't exist: Borders, Wealth, and GOD.... |
Exactly right. Fyodor Dostoevsky but it best when he wrote that if one innocent child had to suffer for creation, then god ought not have done it (I don't remember the exact quote..).
God is either evil, incompetent, uncaring or absent. |
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