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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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jinju ejaculated:
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Hehe. That's what he does best, after all.
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Big Bird:
Yep, it's the CE Forum. Ain't it fun?  |
Oh yes. Indeed! |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| with the ever worsening men-to-women ratios in China, gang rapes will become commonplace before long... that or a war to cull the herd |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think Jinju has adopted a muckraking posture vis-a-vis China. And I do not share that. I think America and China are natural allies and trading partners. |
As a disciple of the great philosopher and logician, jinju, I must conclude from this, Gopher, that you are both a Mao apologist and a gang rapist. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Tell me how it is different. Just like in Korea, Poland experienced a take over by a foreign country. Well 3 actually but lets just stick to the basics. Both in Korea and in Poland during the 3 partitions foreign powers came in by force but also by complicity from the establishment. When Poland regained independence around the end of WWI it took back land that was taken from it during the partitions between 1772 and 1795. When Hitler came to power he based his attack on Poland on reclaiming land that was German from the time of the partitions but Polish prior to that (namely Pomerania and the so called Danzig Corridor). I see the situation basically the same here in Korea. Japan was "invited" to take over Korea by corrupt traitors, it took Dokdo after the take over and is now trying to lay claim to the land much like Hitler in the late 1930s. You can quote Goodwin's law but the analogy applies very well. |
Japan "took over" Korea in 1910. Japan incorporated Takeshima in 1905. Do some logical thinking Jinjackass. Japan incorporated Takeshima beforehand. Naturally Koreans try and equate the incorporation with Japanese imperialism but it's simply not the case. Eternally the victim Korea is. I fail to see how Japan incorporating some rocks that never even appeared on any Korean maps before the incorporation has anything to do with imperialism. Korea is just angry because they didn't even properly explore the sea on their doorstep for hundreds of years. It's no one's fault but their own.
Your arguments are as sound as ever. Of course I know you are just a petulant little troll so it doesn't bother me that much. Par for the course. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Prussia, Russia and Austria "incorporated" Polish territories in 1772 before fully taking over Poland in 1795. Its pretty much the same scenario and you are pretty much acting like a good german nationalist in 1938. Do you like the color brown for your shirts, GG? |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
As a disciple of the great philosopher and logician, jinju, I must conclude from this, Gopher, that you are both a Mao apologist and a gang rapist. |
You drop jokes here regarding this topic, but you have no problems making ad hominem assertions of the same caliber regarding the United States. Correct? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
As a disciple of the great philosopher and logician, jinju, I must conclude from this, Gopher, that you are both a Mao apologist and a gang rapist. |
You drop jokes here regarding this topic, but you have no problems making ad hominem assertions of the same caliber regarding the United States. Correct? |
What do you expect from a coward and a liar? Big Bird afterall is the "person" who now totally avoids threads about Chavez because its turning out that the guy she championed as some savior is becoming nothing but a typical strongman dictator who shuts down TV networks who dare criticize him and shoots at his own people...the Man of the People shooting rubber bullets at his people...so Big Bird, the coward that she is, now doesnt even bother showing up in threads about Chavez. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| ...a Mao apologist and a gang rapist. |
Who is "a Mao apologist?" |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| ...a Mao apologist and a gang rapist. |
Who is "a Mao apologist?" |
That's very naughty! |
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luvnpeas

Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Location: somewhere i have never travelled
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| You came here complaining about "patriotic Americans chanting about America's greatness" |
Nope. I said where chanted patriotism is common, some topics are more relevant than others.
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| and proclaimed that you had appointed yourself the holy one whose duty it was to bring attention to "America's lies." |
Tsk. Lying. Bad form.
Gophers belong in holes. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: yes |
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I am glad you admit to seeing things in black and white. An ultra simple way to look at the word for an ultra simple minded person. When you graduate high school, you will realize that the world is made up of shades of grey, some places greyer than others.
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| Well Jinju, there's a reason we thought that of you. You seem to have a very black and white view of the world. And you apologize for everything Korea does. It's always bad bad bad Japan, good good good Korea. |
I have never apologized for this administration and I dont apologize for everything Korea does.
As far as a black and white view, Im proud of it. It means that I have principles I stand by, I dont play the cultural or moral relativism game, I dont give a free pass to countries just because they are big trading partners or they happen to be where my wife comes from. If Korea does something I diagree with, I call them on it. That includes the failed Sunshine policy. if Japan does something (trying to streal Dokdo) or avoids doing something (give a meaningful and honest apology to victims of its criminal past) I call them on that too. I wouldnt have it any other way. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Don't worry Ilsanman. Jinjackass just doesn't get it. Too immature and naive to comprehend that there are three or four sides to every story. He will remain the "Useful idiot"* for Korea.
*In political jargon, the term "useful idiot" was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in western countries (particularly in the United States) and the alleged attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that the person in question was na�ve, foolish, or in willful denial, and was being cynically used by the Soviet Union, or another Communist state.
The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.
Origins unknown
The term is purported to have been coined by Vladimir Lenin, sometimes in the form "useful idiots of the West", to describe those Western reporters and travellers who would endorse the Soviet Union and its policies in the West. However, no reference to a communist sympathizer or political leftist as a "useful idiot" was made in the United States until 1948, and not until decades later would the phrase be attributed to Lenin. In 1948, the phrase was used in a New York Times article in relation to Italian politics, and was not mentioned again in print until 1961. Critics of the term allege that the expression "useful idiot" has never been discovered in any published document of Lenin's, nor that anyone has claimed to have heard him say it. In the spring of 1987, Grant Harris, senior reference librarian at the Library of Congress, said "We have not been able to identify this phrase [useful idiots of the West] among [Lenin's] published works."[1]
The origin of the phrase "useful idiot" is unknown, and it is not clear why it was attributed to Lenin, although he is well-known for his polemic, often insulting language. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: |
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The origin of the phrase "useful idiot" is unknown, and it is not clear why it was attributed to Lenin, although he is well-known for his polemic, often insulting language.
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There is an entire sub-genre of fake Lenin quotes, where the bolshevik leader appears to endorse various well-known goals of American liberals.
"The first step in the revolution is to confiscate all privately-held guns."
"After we have forced the legalization of pornography on America, the country will fall into our hands like an over-ripe fruit."
"State medicine is the key to overthrowinng the democratic order."
Those are paraphrasings, but each captures the general gist of a "fake Lenin quote" that I have seen. |
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