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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Concern for the environment/fossil fuels yet opposing nuclear domination is blah, blah... bad analogy... By objecting to nuclear power mainly on Chernobyl grounds... |
Who peed in your Cheerios? Christ sake, man, get hold of yourself. You have not been insulted, so what is your problem?
Above, you make an assumption. I never said I object based mainly on Chernobyl. I have always been either wary of or mostly against nuclear power. The reasons I have stated, so why claim otherwise?
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| Go and voice your disagreement to the EU (34% nuclear), or the US Department of Energy (21%, set to climb). No good preaching renewables to me |
You choose highly rhetorical and biased language. Perhaps you don't mean preaching, but I think you do in that you don't apply the same terms to renewable energy that you do to your chosen cause. You've a very dogmatic preference, which makes you the preacher. I've stated clearly that nuclear has issues, but that I would be more supportive if those issues were better addressed.
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| Renewables? Read and weep: �The ill thought out nature of the 20% renewables policy was underlined by the well-documented weather experienced in the UK on March 26-28, 2007. A strong anti-cyclone, with light easterly winds, brought overnight frosts with freezing morning fog. With little or no wind there was no power from wind turbines. With freezing fog there is no sunshine and no solar power. With no wind, the sea is becalmed�so no wave power. At the same time, with cold mornings, electricity demand is high. Where would the necessary supply come from in 2020? The blunt truth is that existing conventional power plants would have to be retained (at enormous cost) to prevent blackouts. The question that arises from this is analysis is this: Do politicians who invent these targets ever seek or take engineering advice before making these impossible commitments?� From: �The 20% Renewables Policy � An Idea without Logic�: http://www.sone.org.uk/images/stories/sone%2020%20renewable%20energy%202007.doc |
You mean to tell me 1. energy cannot be imported from non-afflicted areas and that 2. power storage cannot last for three days or that 3. a combination of power storage and conserving would get people through those three days?
Reading, but not weeping. Please do keep in mind that with the advance of renewable energies will come improvements over the current technologies, etc. Further, I don't imagine a world of renewable energy where it is strictly in th hands of power companies. I expect a fair to large number of homes and businesses to have their own resources/systems on hand.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Got anything on the topic? |
Yes. You've not answered any of them. Again, your typical style. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ages ago, Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Strangely enough, there is some kind of weird psychological thing that goes on with people who get interested in nuclear energy...like some kind of cult, or religion. They seem to get ''hooked" on it somehow... |
| ...and then Spinoza wrote: |
| BRRR....ohhhh....nuke...nuke....nuke energy...nuke power....nuke power can do anything...brooohhh...brubbbrrrr....nuke...nuke...nuke yes...nuke energy cures cancer...nuke energy makes babies shine...nuke...nuke...NUKE!!...ohhhh....(drooling) |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I rest my case.  |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've already answered your questions, troll. Read the thread. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I've already answered your questions, troll. Read the thread. |
Nope, loser:
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| there's actually not all that much fissible material out there, and certainly not enough to power 7 billion people. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| (EFL, I don't actually read your emails. I don't know what you were emailing me about but if you want to discuss it, feel free to discuss it with me on an open forum.) |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Nuclear power is not only an answer, if GHG and global warming are in fact real, which I doubt, it is the only answer. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
| Nuclear power is not only an answer, if GHG and global warming are in fact real, which I doubt, it is the only answer. |
The only realistic answer in any conceivable future space of time. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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No really, EFL, you're the one who claims I'm stalking you. But as far as I remember, I've never sent you a single private message, let alone two with increasingly insulting subject lines:
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| More the fool EFLtrainer Thu May 31, 2007 12:16 am |
If I recall, the first one was titled "Lazy". Anyway, I'm happy to debate with you and trade barbs on the message board but I really don't care to communicate with you in any other way. Deal? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| As no nuclear reactor has been built on mainland Europe for 10 years, and the last to be built in the UK was nearly 20 years ago � nearly 30 years ago in the US � who has the expertise to build a reactor, let alone regulate it? �It�s a real life nuclear experiment,� says nuclear expert Harry Lami of Greenpeace. |
http://znet.ukwatch.net/article/building_a_nuclear_power_station
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| So �advanced� is the technology that no testing facilities exist for some major components, so we won�t know for certain whether the reactor is up to the job until it�s on the job. |
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Once a decision has been taken to build a nuclear power station, the question of location arises. Firm foundations are required for a building that has to surpass an �Acts of God� insurance policy for at least 100 years. It also pays for it to be built close to a plentiful water supply, as it requires 30 million gallons daily to act as a coolant to stop generators overheating and prevent catastrophic meltdown. This is a fundamental problem. Sea levels are predicted to rise by half a metre by the end of the century, according to the the ultra-cautious International Panel on Climate Change. It could be less, but it could easily be more. Such a rise threatens every coastline in Britain and around the world, as it
brings with it unpredictable weather patterns.
Late last year, a confidential report from Nirex, the then government agency on radioactive waste management, warned that all the UK�s current reactor sites are at risk of flooding or erosion under such conditions. If the Greenland and Western Antarctic ice sheets start melting away, as some experts now predict, sea levels could eventually
increase by as much as 12 metres. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| As no nuclear reactor has been built on mainland Europe for 10 years, and the last to be built in the UK was nearly 20 years ago � nearly 30 years ago in the US � who has the expertise to build a reactor, let alone regulate it? �It�s a real life nuclear experiment,� says nuclear expert Harry Lami of Greenpeace. |
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Nuclear reactors are still being built all around the world by Western companies. Westinghouse builds them, for example. End of story.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_40/b3953066.htm |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Pebble bed reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor
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he pebble bed reactor (PBR) or pebble bed modular reactor (PBMR) is an advanced nuclear reactor design.
This technology claims a dramatically higher level of safety and has achieved higher thermal efficiencies than traditional Nuclear Power Plants. Instead of water, it uses pyrolytic graphite as the neutron moderator, and an inert or semi-inert gas such as helium, nitrogen or carbon dioxide as the coolant, at very high temperature, to drive a turbine directly. This eliminates the complex steam management system from the design and increases the thermal efficiency (ratio of electrical output to thermal output) from 32-35% to 40-50%. Also, the gases do not dissolve contaminants or absorb neutrons as water does, so the core has less in the way of radioactive fluids and is more economical than a light water reactor. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| As no nuclear reactor has been built on mainland Europe for 10 years, and the last to be built in the UK was nearly 20 years ago � nearly 30 years ago in the US � who has the expertise to build a reactor, let alone regulate it? �It�s a real life nuclear experiment,� says nuclear expert Harry Lami of Greenpeace. |
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Nuclear reactors are still being built all around the world by Western companies. Westinghouse builds them, for example. End of story.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_40/b3953066.htm |
Actually, I just quoted that bit because it was the introduction to the article. I ought not to have, really, because it wasn't that point that interested me (and at the time I was thinking, well surely they'll ask the yanks or someone to help). If you bother to read the article, it doesn't deal too much with that idea anyway, but discusses the problems of possible rising sea levels, how therefore it would be wiser to find a location in land, and how the problems of setting up inland far from greater metropolis will likely offset the supposed benefits in the first place. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| As no nuclear reactor has been built on mainland Europe for 10 years, and the last to be built in the UK was nearly 20 years ago � nearly 30 years ago in the US � who has the expertise to build a reactor, let alone regulate it? �It�s a real life nuclear experiment,� says nuclear expert Harry Lami of Greenpeace. |
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Nuclear reactors are still being built all around the world by Western companies. Westinghouse builds them, for example. End of story.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_40/b3953066.htm |
Actually, I just quoted that bit because it was the introduction to the article. |
*Blink* Paragraph 13 out of 14 is the introduction? |
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