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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: WSJ says : "Bomb-bomb-bomb, Bomb-bomb-bomb IRAN! |
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From Editor and Publisher :
'WSJ' Op-Ed: Bomb-bomb Iran
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NEW YORK It was sort of funny last month when Sen. John McCain, in a takeoff on the old Beach Boys tune, sang, "Bomb-bomb-bomb Bomb-bomb Iran" but some conservatives aren't laughing -- and no one else should, either, it is now apparent.
In a lengthy op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today, Norman Podhoretz, the neo-con legend (and father of columnist John Podhoretz) advocates just that, the sooner the better.
The op-ed is titled, "The Case for Bombing Iran" with the deck, "I hope and pray that President Bush will do it." |
I have no words.
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, very scary. I'm more afraid of these guys than any terrorists. That's for damn sure.
And of course, many on this board will also discount, this nobel laureate's take on this.....
Interfering continually and doing nothing of consequence except making fat men rich and guns/missles flying .... that is U.S. foreign policy at the moment. I do agree to support democratic organizations but to do it in a hand's off way, not the blatant propagandistic way as this money has been funneled by of all people Liz Cheney!!!! Now there is a laugh although I wish it were really just a laugh.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/30/opinion/edebadi.php
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Thus, Washington's policy of "helping" the cause of democracy in Iran has backfired. It has made it more difficult for the more moderate factions within Iran's power hierarchy to argue for an accommodation with the West.
There is no question that the Iranian government should unconditionally release the recent detainees, and, indeed, all political prisoners.
The Bush administration should put an end to its misguided policy and immediately declare which organizations and public figures have received funds from the $75 million. This will make it clear that the scholars, journalists and other figures who travel to Iran have nothing to do with Bush's policy on Iran. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do you love the Mullahs so much, DD and Bobster? |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Pros and Cons of Bombing Iran
Pro's
- POSSIBLY reduce their nuclear capacity
-US would get the regime change they've longed for
-US could have control Iran's natural gas and petroleum market
Con's
-Iran would retaliate militarily in Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Western Europe and maybe even America
-Israel would be in an unceaseless state of insecurity with the threat of long-range Iranian missles
-Mullah's might be removed, but who will take their place? Remember 1979?
-Moderate's and even U.S. supporters in Iran would rally behind their leadership in an attack for the sake of national defense. Remember 1980-88?
-There would be absolutely no change and the government and nuclear programs would continue
-Oil in the Persian Gulf would be under consant Iranian threat, crippling the U.S. economy.
-States (North Korea, Venezuela, Syria, maybe China?) would start to think; Who's Next and launch some sort of attack on the U.S. first to cripple their global military domination
Would it REALLY BE WORTH IT??
I can't beleive that this possiblity is still on the table in the Pentagon even with all those intelligence experts warning them against such an attack.... The Israeli-Hezbollah war was a great small-scale example of a larger U.S-Iranian conflict; oh ya and it came down to a draw with public opinion heavily against the Israeli campaign tactics....
It'll be the end of the U.S. as a superpower mark my words[/b] |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mcgeezer wrote: |
Con's
-Iran would retaliate militarily in Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Western Europe and maybe even America |
Then we simply retaliate back, and do it at a level they cant. |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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hahahahahaha
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| Then we nuke the place clean. |
Nuke a country because there is the possbility they might be able to develope a nuclear weapon in 3 or more years.....
Hypocritical, Double Standard-ish, naaa, that would go over well...
Do you really beleive that is a good idea either, or are you just trying to provoke some responses? I really hope for the sake of your logic and common knowelge that it is the latter of the two  |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| mcgeezer wrote: |
hahahahahaha
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| Then we nuke the place clean. |
Nuke a country because there is the possbility they might be able to develope a nuclear weapon in 3 or more years.....
Hypocritical, Double Standard-ish, naaa, that would go over well...
Do you really beleive that is a good idea either, or are you just trying to provoke some responses? I really hope for the sake of your logic and common knowelge that it is the latter of the two |
Welll...... if Iran militarily attacks Israel and Western Europe and the United States what choice is there? I am not proposing a nuclear strike as the first or even 2nd option. I would never take it off the table. It would all depend on what Iran would do after air strikes, the severity and extent of their retaliation.
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cosmo
Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Wall Street Journal "Bonb-bomb-bomb, Bomb-bomb-bomb |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
Op-Ed: Bomb-bomb Iran
It was sort of funny last month when Sen. John McCain, in a takeoff on the old Beach Boys tune, sang, "Bomb-bomb-bomb Bomb-bomb Iran" but some conservatives aren't laughing -- and no one else should, either, it is now apparent. |
Thats a catchy tune.
Drop one on the Ayatollah of Rockandrollah. |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Then we simply retaliate back, and do it at a level they cant.
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How is this possible...many people (and by no means do i want to sound offensive to you jj) are uninformed about the military capabilities, social framework, proud history, and complete submission to Shiia islam that these people have....Any attack would unleash the Basiji volunteer force, or as Khomeini liked to call it "the army of twenty million"
How could you contain twenty million guerilla fighters and suicide bombers, or for that matter half a million? It would be suicide for the U.S.
I agree Iran has some serious changes to make, but an attack is simply out of the question, THEY ARE NOT IRAQ!!! |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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It would all depend on what Iran would do after air strikes, the severity and extent of their retaliation.
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So you expect them to sit on their hands and accept an attack?? Of course they would retaliate....In a similar manner as the U.S. retaliated after 9/11. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Oh give me a freaking break. Afraid of Iran? Iran is like any 3rd world crap hole, they respect strength and the US should give them a good appetizer. if Iran still wants the full meal I say give them the full 12 courses and thats that. Basiji volunteer force, what a laugh. "I got gun, I got bomb...I got 2 legs, so be scared if you are within walking distance..I got no car"
Are we really this afraid of some peasants these days?
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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It would all depend on what Iran would do after air strikes, the severity and extent of their retaliation.
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So you expect them to sit on their hands and accept an attack?? Of course they would retaliate....In a similar manner as the U.S. retaliated after 9/11. |
I expect them to realize they are wrong and abide by international law. if not there really isnt anything useful Iran is contributing to the world anyway.... |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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hehehe....
You feel very strongly about this subject, I like it!!! I'm finished arguing because if you read the experts (Seymour Hersh among others...) they will say the same thing, bad idea....
But I do have a feeling it WILL happen while Bush is still in office, and i will be back here to say I TOLD YOU SO......
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| I expect them to realize they are wrong and abide by international law |
Do mean in a similar manner that the U.S. did when they invaded Iraq on false pretenses and without the consent of the U.N.? |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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This is the same Podhoretz who views the "War on Terror" as World War IV? The same Podhoretz whose most well-known work is an essay titled "My Negro Problem"?
Nonetheless, here is a link to the complete article published yesterday in the WSJ. It was a bit disingenuous of the OP to reference bits of the article without providing the whole thing.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110010139
What worries me is that if this is how conservative the op-ed of the WSJ is now, how much further to the right will it move when Murdoch takes over in a few months? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Iran ought to give up their war against the US then there would be no problem.
Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq. |
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
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On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules [
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities. |
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
They support Hizzbollah who counterfeits US money and sells drugs.
They might also be behind the death squads in Iraq and inciting the violence there.
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence. One of the biggest reasons for terror is that mideast regimes teach hate and incite violence.
Iran has done other very objectionable and offensive acts like blowing up a Jewish community center in Argentina and killing the translators of the Satanic Versus.
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