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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: On being excluded Reply with quote

I expect to be shown the door here when I go places. I can deal with one a week and stay healthy, but today I got plenty of waves and I'm not in a good mood now. Over half the stores I visited said no or lied. I shop at the redneck markets so I should expect it but half? It could be me but I don't think so.

The groveling sniveling make me sick. "Oh please sir can I come in your store?" "Oh please?". F this.

Hardworking/plagiarizing Korean students get to go to the USA to the best schools and get the best jobs and I have to ask if I have to ask to be gouged on hardware?
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the *beep* are you going on about?
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Ozabout7or8



Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: NZ

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what are you smokin bro?
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a problem trying to find bungee cords. It seems the word bungee in Korean only refers to jumping off a bridge and not the the things you use
to tie stuff to a rack. They were concerned I was going to hurt myself.
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Richard Krainium



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure he's on about the "red light" districts. That's about the only place I can think of that foreigners aren't welcome in Korea.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shopping for electronics or computer parts? Maybe you�re frustrated over not being able to find something you need? It helps to come on here and ask us what it is your looking for and someone who knows might be glad to help you find it. Daves is good about members helping members find stuff in Korea. They sure have helped me out a few times. Thanks to those individuals who take time out to share a little helpful info.

I know it's allot of balony when you can't find the things you need or want. I have been through the gauntlet a time or two already. Most likely shop keepers are telling you they don't have what you're looking for more so than excluding or rejecting your patronage. I would say for 99% of Koreans, your Won speaks just as well as a Koreans Won. I find Koreans in general to be very accepting, respectful, and happy to see me, but often they don't have what I want, because they just are not equipped to cater specially to my likings.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Krainium wrote:
I'm pretty sure he's on about the "red light" districts. That's about the only place I can think of that foreigners aren't welcome in Korea.

Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han
Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=3033479

Image URL
http://photo.hankooki.com/newsphoto/2006/12/12/ensor200612122018471nofor3.jpg

Foreign Residents Face Discrimination
In Riding Subways, Opening Web Sites and Getting License
By Kim Tae-jong, Korea Times (May 31, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/05/113_3819.html
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sojourner1 wrote:
Shopping for electronics or computer parts? Maybe you�re frustrated over not being able to find something you need? It helps to come on here and ask us what it is your looking for and someone who knows might be glad to help you find it. Daves is good about members helping members find stuff in Korea. They sure have helped me out a few times. Thanks to those individuals who take time out to share a little helpful info.

I know it's allot of balony when you can't find the things you need or want. I have been through the gauntlet a time or two already. Most likely shop keepers are telling you they don't have what you're looking for more so than excluding or rejecting your patronage. I would say for 99% of Koreans, your Won speaks just as well as a Koreans Won. I find Koreans in general to be very accepting, respectful, and happy to see me, but often they don't have what I want, because they just are not equipped to cater specially to my likings.


You are letting them off easy. I have to live like a Negro during Jim Crow.
I have to find the friendly stores who are as likely to take the opportunity
to gouge me as they are to appreciate my business or appreciate my company. I can miss the latter, thats not necessary.

"There are many steps of obedience and levels of respect in shopping here. Here are some rules that I don't have the time to elucidate:

1- Return to those who appreciate you.

2 - When using a new store for the first time, actually look into the store to see if they actually have the item.

3 - If you cannot see the item from outside and it looks like they might have it, ask if friendly.

4 - Bring the item to explain.

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I avoid the confrontation this way. After that say hi or whatever and look for signs of acceptance. Then I point to the floor as if asking "Can I stand there?".
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There are a few more steps like this. Its like a dog smelling a bigger dogs a55 and begging for safety. This is close to humiliation.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why do it?

Seriously, why do what you feel demeans you? Learn the language, walk into the store, and ask for exactly what you want -- when they tell you they don't carry it, you can ask directions to the nearest store that stocks it, and go get it.

Wait -- maybe your Korean isn't good enough to just ask for what you want...so you feel nervous and defensive...and maybe the folks in the store aren't up on their English...so perhaps they feel nervous and defensive...and that, more likely than anything else, is why they seem reluctant to help you.

I'm sorry you can't find what you want -- I needed a sink trap (or J-drainpipe, or whatever you call it), and in the US, I would just stop at pretty much anyplace that had plumbing supplies and grab one. Here I had to go to a special store downtown. I dunno what it is called where yer from, and I certainly didn't know what it was called in Korean, but ya know what? I knew I was being a huge paiin in the arse when I walked into folk's shops...why should I expect THEM to speak MY language when I am in THEIR country?

You remind me of the duck that kept going into the bookstore and asking "Do you have any grapes?" Of course they didn't, and the clerk told the duck so. Day after day, the duck kept going into the bookstore asking the clerk over and over, "Do you have any grapes?" "No" was the constant reply. Finally, one day, the clerk snapped and shouted, "NO! We have no grapes and if you ever ask me again I am going to nail one of your frikkin' feet to the floor and chase you in a circle!" The next day the duck came in and asked the clerk: "got any nails?" The clerk said, "no." "Good! Got any grapes?"

Your first rule applies anywhere you go, and is not a "step of obedience." I think the uncommon term is common sense.

Second rule is also common sense -- please refer to my duck in the bookstore asking for grapes -- want meat? Go to the meatmarket -- the stationery store won't have it.

Rule three -- see rule one.

Rule four -- wow, again, I often do this in my home country, but then again my grandfather taught me many technical things about home repair, such as "this little doo-hickey connects to the thingamabob, then the whatchamacallit threads on top, but ya gotta use one o'them thingiedos to tighten it, or you'll strip the heck out of it."

Somehow, YOUR inability to go to the right store that might carry the thing you are looking for is akin to racism? Sorry, man, stupid's not a race...but you might be ahead of the pack.
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