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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Unless you accept the reality of continuous transmigration of souls, it's not possible to make a complete argument that man is the architect of his own material suffering and enjoyment. Generally, people who are born into extreme poverty and suffering are in that predicament because of delayed sinful reactions from their previous human life ...
After "spiritual evolution" through all the various species, the individual soul finally gets the chance in the human form (of potentially full consciousness) to realize his relation to the complete whole (aka God...)
...All facilities are given to the complete units (namely the living beings) to enable them to realize the complete whole. All forms of incompletion are experienced due to incomplete knowledge of the complete whole. The human form of life is a complete manifestation of the consciousness of the living being, and it is obtained after evolving through 8,400,000 species of life in the cycle of birth and death. If the living entity does not realize his completeness within the complete whole in this human life, which is blessed with full consciousness, he loses the chance to realize his completeness and is again put into the evolutionary cycle by the law of material nature.
Because we do not know that there is complete arrangement in nature for our maintenance, we make efforts to utilize the resources of nature to create a so-called complete life of sense enjoyment. Because the living entity cannot enjoy the life of the senses without being dovetailed to the complete whole, the misleading life of sense enjoyment is considered illusion. The hand of a body is a complete unit only as long as it is attached to the complete body. When the hand is severed from the body, it may appear like a hand, but it actually has none of the potencies of a hand. Similarly, living beings are parts and parcels of the complete whole, and if they are severed from the complete whole, the illusory representation of completeness cannot fully satisfy them.
The completeness of human life can only be realized when one engages in the service of the complete whole. All services in this world -- whether social, political, communal, international or even interplanetary -- will remain incomplete until they are dovetailed with the complete whole. When everything is dovetailed with the complete whole, the attached parts and parcels also become complete in themselves.
http://www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Isopanisad_invocation.html |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Unless you accept the reality of continuous transmigration of souls, it's not possible to make a complete argument that man is the architect of his own material suffering and enjoyment. Generally, people who are born into extreme poverty and suffering are in that predicament because of delayed sinful reactions from their previous human life ... |
Great let the mother truckers starve! Geldof should be ashamed of himself helping these obviously evil people. The rich have always been God's chosen people. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| My faith teaches that it is how much you accomplish with what you are given. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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God has provided for the maintenance and subsistence of the entire universe, arranging that there'd be sufficient food for everyone.
Animals are satisfied to take just their natural allotment of food, and they incur no sinful reactions for killing what they need to survive.
Only humans transgress laws of nature by accepting more than their quota and unnecessarily killing other living beings due mainly to lust, greed, and ignorance ...
Human exploitation of nature and other humans is the major cause of suffering on Earth...
God normally doesn't interfere in human affairs, and miscreants are eventually punished by the laws of nature...
Although some places are relatively free from suffering, each material universe is mainly meant to be a place of death and misery.
God reluctantly sanctioned our independent desire to leave our real home in the spiritual universe, but he doesn't want us to stay here - whether we engage in good works or not...
The best solution is to learn the devotional art and science of engaging in activities that generate neither good nor bad karma - so we don't have to take another material birth again just to suffer or enjoy the results of our actions from this life... |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| That book is at the top of the nonfiction best seller list in the US right now. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote
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| That is not proof that He doesn't exist. The only honest rationalist positions would be to become agnostic, and/or admit that reason falls short on this matter and either believe or not believe. |
And you point out the major shortcoming of BJWD's belief system. He is a "fantasist" -- when there is no supporting evidence, he believes that means, his own belief system triumphs and he issues a call to extremes. Valid point to say his arguements are quite "Jacobinian" (militant atheistic but put "militant _____" in the slot, what ever the topic may be.
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| That is because you are mixing up his critique of man made religion with his own personal beliefs. I should hope, if you are a despairing soul, that you see that. |
And he still doesn't get it -- that one's own personal belief system is "religion" and that no matter how hard you'd try, "no man is an island" to quote a very unatheistic man.
We are but religion, soaked in religion and we are but "God" in whatever form you want to imagine it. It is the social manifestation that we must debate about, not something as he proposes, that there is a state where "religion" does not exist.
I know most people reading won't get it ....but I'm with Swift when he said that "We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." I hope this world finds more religion, that reverence and relationship of one to the many and everything. Not less.
DD
PS. I'm with Kuros on this, agnostic. |
You are illiterate. Please, learn to read before you make even more Koreans think that all white Westerners are complete wastes. People like you are ruining our reputation the world over.
First, I did not say that I am an atheist, and actually said the opposite. In addition to this, the disbelief in the True is not religion. Unless you are a child, maybe. Are you david?
http://www.atheists.org/faqs/atheism.html#not.religion
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"Atheism is religion." When you hear a statement like this, it often comes form a person who has actually done little research or thinking about either Atheism or religion. Most people rarely study or investigate their own religious beliefs, assuming they have any. If they are born in a predominately Christian, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Jewish culture, they will probably reflect the religious beliefs of that society.
Nearly every dictionary will define religion as "belief in a divine or superhuman power or powers to be obeyed a worshipped as the creator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe. The definition of all other terms linked to religion employ much the same language -- church, monastery, priest. They are all part of a religious-language universe or "game" that has little to do with Atheism.
There cannot be an Atheist "Church", or an Atheist "priest" anymore than there could be an Atheist "god." |
I just can't believe that you pass yourself off as anything less than an abject fool dd. I said, repeatedly in this tread, that we can not know. Let me quote myself (but mostly cause I call you for what you are):
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I think I dealt with that above. When I say "no god" I mean no god, as he has been constructed. Mostly, I just post tirades about religion, which is pollution for the mind. I also dealt with this when responding to that pansy dd, when I said I'm not so arrogant to assume that my mind could understand. |
So, for david, I say "my mind could not understand", which is factually and demonstratively true for our entire species and duhduh takes that to mean that I am a
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| "Jacobinian" (militant atheistic but put "militant _____" in the slot, |
Such an idiot.
Let us look at that time I taught you about Malthus, again.
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| And your Malthusian prognostics went out over a century ago... |
I then took you to school:
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Malthusian prognostics. You know, I study economics and am quite familiar with Malthus. Are you? He said that humans would run out of food because we screw too much. By the by, he was wrong due to his inability to predict innovation.
Let me put in simply. The two are unrelated, and you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
In other words, you used the name of somebody whose ideas you don't understand, merely because you like to throw lots of syllables into your sentences to look smarter than you are.
I bet you aren't even the least bit familiar with Malthus, but will make a quick trip to wikipedia to look as if you are.
Keep em' coming DD, I enjoy schooling your pretentious arse. |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=991243&highlight=malthusian#991243
Take this advice from someone significantly more well read, more well traveled and more intellectually capable then you (me). Spend less time preaching about things you DO NOT UNDERSTAND and more time focusing on how to improve your "teaching" and getting familiarized with the basic concepts of our civilization. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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be sure to tell him he does not exist when you meet him some day in the distant future.
we all will eventually meet him. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| WHERE is God? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| WHERE is God? |
Maybe Mexico. I've had lots of hippie friends who have gone to Mexico and found him. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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GOD IS MIS-UNDER-STOOD  |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
be sure to tell him he does not exist when you meet him some day in the distant future.
we all will eventually meet him. |
He's making a list and he's checking it twice.
He knows who's been naughty and who's been nice! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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God doesn't need your approval; you need His.
When or if you finally come to that realization, you'll be on the road home. Until then, you'll come across as just another arrogant humanist. |
I wonder if God liks that you go around lying about your salary, Steve. Lying is still a no-no, isnt it? |
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