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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| NUKE MECCA??? Are you mad? Seriously, no this is not a flame, but a serious question. . |
Thank you. That is what I was hoping to hear. I'm an honest man, I do not lie, and take my word that others have suggested this is what we need to do. (He didn't say kill them all and let God sort 'em out , but it was very close to that. Actually it was a little worse.)
When I say, "End it. End it now." I'm talking about getting out of there. I'm talking about getting back to making American babies, making money, making homes, making each other smile when we walk by on the street each day.
What is it you mean when you say :
When all the combatants on the other side are dead or have surrendered. Then it becomes enough.
Call it genocide, or find another word ... hey, I'm just sayin'. Ya know? |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| NUKE MECCA??? Are you mad? Seriously, no this is not a flame, but a serious question. . |
Thank you. That is what I was hoping to hear. I'm an honest man, I do not lie, and take my word that others have suggested this is what we need to do. (He didn't say kill them all and let God sort 'em out , but it was very close to that. Actually it was a little worse.)
When I say, "End it. End it now." I'm talking about getting out of there. I'm talking about getting back to making American babies, making money, making homes, making each other smile when we walk by on the street each day.
What is it you mean when you say :
When all the combatants on the other side are dead or have surrendered. Then it becomes enough.
Call it genocide, or find another word ... hey, I'm just sayin'. Ya know? |
What is it I mean? I mean this is war. Just like in WWII or WWI. That is the object of war. If the other side will not surrender, then either we do or we destroy them. Surrender in this case would weaken America's deterrent ability. Terrorists would not be deterred from striking America in an attempt to goad it into a conflict with Islam. If on the other hand America stays the course and destroys the other side...terrorists are likely to think twice before provoking America. And if they don't the state that is harbouring them is likely to keep a much closer watch on them.
However I'm not sure how killing a few thousand insurgents equates to genocide...as I said before non-combatants should be kept out of harm's way as much as possible.
But I also said that surrender (for the other side) was a viable option. Should they wish to surrender they should be treated like POW's. Not sure how that equates to genocide either. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| However I'm not sure how killing a few thousand insurgents equates to genocide...as I said before non-combatants should be kept out of harm's way as much as possible. |
The "insurgents" aren't soldiers. They're normal people who want the west out of their sphere of influence, and America specifically out of their country. To get rid of these "insurgents" you either have to leave them alone, or slaughter them all. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| However I'm not sure how killing a few thousand insurgents equates to genocide...as I said before non-combatants should be kept out of harm's way as much as possible. |
The "insurgents" aren't soldiers. They're normal people who want the west out of their sphere of influence, and America specifically out of their country. To get rid of these "insurgents" you either have to leave them alone, or slaughter them all. |
The insurgents are people from the middle of Iraq who want the US out so they can conquer the entire country. That is why they oppose the elections and the legally elected Iraqi government.
Most of them are Baathists.
They of course have a right to ask for independence but they are not asking for that, nor will they cause Iraq's oil (for now) is in the South and the North and not in the middle.
I wonder if the Shia or the Kurds 80% of the Iraqi population would like to
ruled by those from the middle of the nation who oppressed them.
Another question what is the difference between the Afghan insurgents and the Iraqi insurgents.
Which brings us to the last point . Just like their would have been no war in Afghanistan if the Taliban hadn't been involved with Al Qaeda, there would have been no Iraq war II if Saddam had given up his war and his revolutionary agenda.
The way to stop the war is for Baathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists to give up their war. Anything the US does to force them to do is okay. The US does not have to accept a war against it.
Libya's Khaddafy quit ( for the most part ) and no one is bothering him. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| However I'm not sure how killing a few thousand insurgents equates to genocide...as I said before non-combatants should be kept out of harm's way as much as possible. |
The "insurgents" aren't soldiers. They're normal people who want the west out of their sphere of influence, and America specifically out of their country. To get rid of these "insurgents" you either have to leave them alone, or slaughter them all. |
Actually they are mostly terrorists. I don't know what else you would call people who seem to have no problem with setting car bombs off...not so much to kill American soldiers, but deliberately to cause maximum damage in their own civilian population.
That is NOT "normal" anywhere. Normal terrorist behaviour maybe, but that's as far as it goes.
Tell me something is this normal behaviour..because it certainly isn't an isolated incident.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6889106 |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Call it genocide, or find another word ... hey, I'm just sayin'. Ya know? |
What is it I mean? I mean this is war. Just like in WWII or WWI. That is the object of war. |
So you are really ARE saying "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." That's what war is, or so thus it was taught to me. You gotta look that in the face and accept it for what it is, then ask yourself if the goals are worth it. I think I have, and I've decided they are not.
There's always a better way, but often the better way is the harder way. Let's not be afraid to do the hard thing, all I'm saying. The easy thing involves bombs and American boys coming home missing an arm or a leg. End this thing. End it now.
If you're not ready to nuke Mecca, and five or six other cities, all you're talking about is, Hey, Let's hurt America a little more. Or maybe a lot. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| So you are really ARE saying "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." That's what war is, or so thus it was taught to me. You gotta look that in the face and accept it for what it is, then ask yourself if the goals are worth it. I think I have, and I've decided they are not. |
what is wrong with Killing Bathists, Khomeni followers or Al Qaedists?
If they are not taken care of then they will attack. It is their nature.
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| There's always a better way, but often the better way is the harder way. Let's not be afraid to do the hard thing, all I'm saying. The easy thing involves bombs and American boys coming home missing an arm or a leg. End this thing. End it now. |
What is the better way?
in the 1990s the US allowed business to go on as usual in the mideast and the result was 9-11.
The US doesn't have a right to steal oil , the US doesn't have a right to interfere with their relgion , the US doesn't have a right to force them to accept capitalism.
However the US is justified to forcing them to quit their war.
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| If you're not ready to nuke Mecca, and five or six other cities, all you're talking about is, Hey, Let's hurt America a little more. Or maybe a lot |
The US can do a lot more than it has done.
See that Iran's supreme leader is still alive.
Again the US saw what happens when the US lets the Bathists , the Khomeni follower and the Al Qaedists do as they want and the result was 9-11.
End the war sure , just as soon as they give up their war , not until then. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Call it genocide, or find another word ... hey, I'm just sayin'. Ya know? |
What is it I mean? I mean this is war. Just like in WWII or WWI. That is the object of war. |
So you are really ARE saying "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." That's what war is, or so thus it was taught to me.
If you're not ready to nuke Mecca, and five or six other cities, all you're talking about is, Hey, Let's hurt America a little more. Or maybe a lot. |
Wrong again. I am not saying kill them ALL. Kill those who are picking up a gun or making a bomb to kill you. Kill the insurgents. Leave the rest alone.
Nuking Mecca and five and six other cities would hurt America greatly for the rest of time. Islamists would never forgive that...not even the moderates. There are a good many of them inside America who could be recruited to the extremists' cause after that and could be used to wreak a lot of damage from inside. And nuking Mecca would destroy any hope of winning them over. You'd spark a third World War. |
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