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Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:21 am Post subject:

merkurix wrote:

A bit off topic, but I also notice that even your Dave's handle is in Spanish . . . Mexican Spanish nonetheless. Interesting. Wink

I don't speak a lick of Spanish nor do I intend to learn. Chingo means friend in Korean.

Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:44 am Post subject:

[quote="Doutdes"]

Yo!Chingo wrote:

I believe that children of American citizens who were born in the USA legally should have access to financial aid and higher paying jobs. It doesn't matter to me if their parent or parents committed crimes because their parents paid into the system that provides the opportunities...

In in my heart of hearts I don't believe that they should have the same scholarship opportunities as immigrants that waited their turn and have affirmative action on their side when applying to jobs. I don't believe in giving them those advantages.

Doutdes wrote:

Sounds to me that you don't want to, and you don't want your kids to compete against the children of illegal immigrants. Apparently your kids should get preferential treatment because you're a citizen.

Actually my children will have 2 well educated, financially secure and loving parents that both come from extremely stable and loving families. They'll have parents that will push them hard in all aspects of their lives and will not let them make excuses for failure. They'll be given the best of everything including private education and tutors. No, I'm not afraid of competition for my kids. I just don't think that the children of criminals should even be able to pretend to be competition ( living in the USA).

Doutdes wrote:

Ifind it interesting that you think that citizen's children should be given more opportunities because the parents have paid into the system. I was a welfare baby. And by the time the state paid for the hospital bills, foodstamps, welfare, etc., my parents certainly had not paid into the system to the same amount that I had received. It wasn't until my father finally got a union job at a factory that my family started paying back into the system.

I feel it for ya. I understand what it's like to live without $. My family wasn't rich either. We barely had the lights on when I was a kid and I used government provided healthcare. There's one big difference between us and them, Doutdes. We're American citizens, and those services are part of the priviledge associated with being an American citizen.

Being an American is a priviledge, not a right, and I believe in taking care of our own. I don't give a rat's ass if you're entire family was comprised of drug dealers, pimps, and prostitutes ( NO actual reference to your family here btw ). They are American citizens and I feel that they have the right to the services offered by our government b/c they are.

As for the whole race thing, I looked it up Bobster. You were right. Hispanics are considered white. It seems they share certain physical traits with the white race and so are considered white. I bow down to your superior intelligence on this 1 point. That don't change the fact that illegal aliens are still criminals. Man are they crapping in their pants waiting to see what the Senate's going to do Twisted Evil

They don't like the bill being debated.,and it tickles me everytime I take a peek at foxnews or drudgereport.

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merkurix

Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:48 am Post subject:

Yo!Chingo wrote:

Chingo means friend in Korean.

I respectfully disagree with this statement as it is slightly inaccurate.

Yo!Chingo wrote:

I don't speak a lick of Spanish nor do I intend to learn.

What you don't know can hurt you. Someone else in this board (not me) can tell you what the Spanish phrase, "Yo chingo!" means in English.

Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:24 am Post subject:

Well I guess it's a good thing that I'm posting in a Korean forum and not a Spanish one!

merkurix

Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:09 am Post subject:

Yo!Chingo wrote:

Well I guess it's a good thing that I'm posting in a Korean forum and not a Spanish one!

I am inclined to continue disagreeing with you as even this statement is still slightly inaccurate. Wink

insam

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:17 am Post subject:

the more 'illegals' the merrier. national boundaries are for cowards. ironically, the ones who want to enforce relative laws claim to be capitalists. am i missing something? capitalism=wild west. be careful who you vote for.

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:21 am Post subject:

insam wrote:

the more 'illegals' the merrier. national boundaries are for cowards. ironically, the ones who want to enforce relative laws claim to be capitalists. am i missing something? capitalism=wild west. be careful who you vote for.

I can't believe how many people miss this basic point. If capital is free to move globally, so should labor be free to. Capitalism requires "free labor". Hey we had a civil war over this one, and the slave owning south had to yield to the industrializing north. This was not a war of magnanimity, but one over, among other things, the transition between feudalism and capitalism. Individual freedom is the lynchpin of capitalist liberalism. International capitalism would seem to require internationally free labor.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:32 am Post subject:

insam wrote:

You might want to redefine "capitalists".

In my mind, those who believe in capitalism are 'classical liberals' or libertarians. The conservatives that scream against immigration tend to be hostile to free-markets but very friendly towards personal wealth. They are nationalists, mercantilists or corporatists.

I am a classical liberal. I believe in the relatively free movement of labour across borders. I'm not an absolutist (the modern world is very complicated) but generally I support wild immigration (as long as the state does not stand in the way of economic activity or encourage sloth).

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:12 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

insam wrote:

I agree. I would add to the list of those opposed to immigration populists like Lou Dobbs. You'd have to believe, to hear him speak, that if only we could get rid of the 12 million undocumented workers in the US, a new halcyon age of peace and prosperity would follow.

I would not describe myself as a classical liberal, but I understand that enough to want to hold the capitalist cheerleaders' feet to the fire on this issue. You want globalism? Get used to people who don't look and think like you, because they are the face of a global economy.

Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject:

merkurix wrote:

Yo!Chingo wrote:

Well I guess it's a good thing that I'm posting in a Korean forum and not a Spanish one!

I am inclined to continue disagreeing with you as even this statement is still slightly inaccurate. Wink

Umm, let's see. Dave's ESL Cafe Korean Job Discussion Forums Index-> Nope don't see anything about Spanish. I guess you're wrong Laughing

Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject:

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Immigration Bill DiesSenate majority leader pulls bill

Yahoo

cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject:

desultude wrote:

I am curios as to your use of "free labor".

Not as in work for nothing free I hope but as in free movement, maybe?

Perhaps "labor freedom".

cbc

merkurix

Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject:

Yo!Chingo wrote:

merkurix wrote:

Yo!Chingo wrote:

Well I guess it's a good thing that I'm posting in a Korean forum and not a Spanish one!

I am inclined to continue disagreeing with you as even this statement is still slightly inaccurate. Wink

Umm, let's see. Dave's ESL Cafe Korean Job Discussion Forums Index-> Nope don't see anything about Spanish. I guess you're wrong Laughing

You guessed wrong. Don't try to twist what you meant to say now. When I said "slightly inaccurate," I meant that I failed to see the Hangeul when you argued earlier that this is a "Korean Forum" as you put it. It's nice to see where your sentiments lie though. Anyways, back on topic. Wink

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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm! Why are all of my posts back dated several hours? cbc

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:

cbclark4 wrote:

I am curios as to your use of "free labor".

Not as in work for nothing free I hope but as in free movement, maybe?

It's an oft-ignored fact in these discussions. : every period of American history that allowed extensive and largely unfettered immigration was followed by a period of massive economic growth that benefited nearly every part of the nation's economy.

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