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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Korea

As you can see, the South Korean government has been through a LOT of instability. Its amazing that Korea could get to where they are today despite that.

Treefarmer:

There is a large English speaking Korean population outside of the Korea.
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a load of bollocks. What countries are gonna "do a korea"?


The next rising tiger in Asia is Vietnam in my opinion. Constant planned economic growth of around 7% a year, self sufficient in oil and with a young and fast growing population.

Korea's economy could be in trouble in the future. (Just ask the Samsung CEO) Korea is declining in population and rapidly aging and has no oil to speak of. (Unless some is found around Dokdo/Takeshima. Wink)

My money's on Vietnam.
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Treefarmer



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korea's economy could be in trouble in the future. (Just ask the Samsung CEO) Korea is declining in population and rapidly aging and has no oil to speak of. (Unless some is found around Dokdo/Takeshima. Wink)


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Treefarmer



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Treefarmer wrote:
jinju wrote:
What a load of bollocks. What countries are gonna "do a korea"? As of today the ROK is still the ONLY country in the history of the UN that has gone from being a recipient country to a donor country. So there goes your little myth of "doing a korea" in 10 years.

Korea is going in the right direction though mistakes are being made. It is a good thing that they are investing in high tech industries, automobile and shippbuilding as well as construction. Its a good mix of high tech and heavy industry that will see Korea through. What this country needs is a pro business government that will open up the market to the rest of the world. The UK-Kor FTA was a good first step.


it's not bollocks

thailand, china and vietnam will all become industrial powers like korea in the near future, are they going to be competitive?? most kids go to an english hagwon, but that doesn't mean that their english is any good

apparently koreans spend more money than any other country in the world on learning english, but i've worked for 4 hagwons, and only 1 of them the kids actually took it seriously, and that is cos they were rich kids who would get to go to america, england etc


Oh stop with the English.

I can assure you of this: people who have to know it, do. That means engineers, managers in large companies doing business abroad. As far as the general population, take a trip to Japan and see how well the Japanese speak English. They are the #2 economy in the world. English is important, sure, but it isnt going to be the breaking factor in a country's future. The only things that will influence Korea's future are:

1. Geopolitical situation in this region.
2. North Korea's stability/sanity
3. Further investment in high tech
4. Developing heavy industries and positioning itself as a leader in the key ones (automobiles, ships, construction, energy)
5. Investment in infrastructure.

Thailand and Vietnam are going to take literally a few decades to even be considered developed. Catch Korea? How? Tuk tuk power? China is a Potemkin power. They have massive social problems and huge poverty. These are issues that are going to explode in China unless they are dealt with pronto.


ok maybe i got carried away there, but it isn't just their english at sucks, their schools seem shit, because a lot of kids who are 8 can't even find england or australia on the map

it does seen like they are hoying all their money away, and they wont be this rich forever....
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endo



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
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What a load of bollocks. What countries are gonna "do a korea"?


The next rising tiger in Asia is Vietnam in my opinion. Constant planned economic growth of around 7% a year, self sufficient in oil and with a young and fast growing population.

Korea's economy could be in trouble in the future. (Just ask the Samsung CEO) Korea is declining in population and rapidly aging and has no oil to speak of. (Unless some is found around Dokdo/Takeshima. Wink)

My money's on Vietnam.


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I mean the growth rates in China, India, and Vietnam are great. But they had nowhere to go but up.

The central economic planning is strong in thoses three nations, but social and envoronmental ones are extremely poor.

And infastructure still has a long way to go.


Yes you may have a lot of wealth concentrated in cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Mumbai, Delhi, or Ho Chi Minh, but outside that in the countryside (where most of the population lives) you have massive problems.


South Korea took just under 40 years to become a developed and free nation. How long to you think it will take for China, India, and Vietnam to do the same?

They still have a long way to go and remember that 7-10% growth rates can only occur for so long.
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endo



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jinju wrote:
Treefarmer wrote:
jinju wrote:
What a load of bollocks. What countries are gonna "do a korea"? As of today the ROK is still the ONLY country in the history of the UN that has gone from being a recipient country to a donor country. So there goes your little myth of "doing a korea" in 10 years.

Korea is going in the right direction though mistakes are being made. It is a good thing that they are investing in high tech industries, automobile and shippbuilding as well as construction. Its a good mix of high tech and heavy industry that will see Korea through. What this country needs is a pro business government that will open up the market to the rest of the world. The UK-Kor FTA was a good first step.


it's not bollocks

thailand, china and vietnam will all become industrial powers like korea in the near future, are they going to be competitive?? most kids go to an english hagwon, but that doesn't mean that their english is any good

apparently koreans spend more money than any other country in the world on learning english, but i've worked for 4 hagwons, and only 1 of them the kids actually took it seriously, and that is cos they were rich kids who would get to go to america, england etc


Oh stop with the English.

I can assure you of this: people who have to know it, do. That means engineers, managers in large companies doing business abroad. As far as the general population, take a trip to Japan and see how well the Japanese speak English. They are the #2 economy in the world. English is important, sure, but it isnt going to be the breaking factor in a country's future. The only things that will influence Korea's future are:

1. Geopolitical situation in this region.
2. North Korea's stability/sanity
3. Further investment in high tech
4. Developing heavy industries and positioning itself as a leader in the key ones (automobiles, ships, construction, energy)
5. Investment in infrastructure.

Thailand and Vietnam are going to take literally a few decades to even be considered developed. Catch Korea? How? Tuk tuk power? China is a Potemkin power. They have massive social problems and huge poverty. These are issues that are going to explode in China unless they are dealt with pronto.



Jinju has an ideological bent, but the man's dead on right here.


I was talking to a journalist when I was in Beijing recently and I asked him what was the biggest problem facing China, and he said the social divisions between the haves and the have nots.

It's exciting to see the growth in cities like Beijing and Shanghai, but in the countryside thers alread is and will continue to be huge social unrest.

Social unrest in China sometimes gets out on the news, but I believe it's a much larger problem than the Chinese let it out to be.
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mack4289



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting article about some of Korea's weaknesses in developing their young people
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2876560:

"In interviews with the JoongAng Ilbo, only four out of 35 star Korean students studying at seven prestigious U.S. universities said they will return as soon as their studies end. Thirteen said they will eventually go back, but not right away, 16 said they did not know if they would return and two said they would not come back.

At the same time, businesses in Korea are having trouble recruiting workers with a world-class education. The SK Group set up a special team three years ago to hire such Koreans, but can�t find enough of them.

.... In interviews with the 35 students, who attended Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Stanford, MIT and UC Berkeley, many said they decided to leave Korea in the first place because of the rigid education system here, which they said fails to nurture creativity and leadership. More than 3,200 Korean students are studying at 11 of the top universities in the United States, according to tallies from each school.

�I hated my high school education, which was focused on memorizing everything only because it would appear in exams,� said Baek Jin-su, a 20-year-old freshmen at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, or MIT. �I figured the university education in Korea would not be any better.�

.... Other scholars at home and abroad expressed concerns about Korea�s academic system. In a lecture in Korea on June 3, Alvin Toffler, the American writer and futurist, said changes in the education system are the key for Korea to lead the world in the future.
Chang Duk-jin, a Seoul National University sociology professor who is currently lecturing at the Harvard University on an exchange, said universities in Korea must redefine their roles and functions. �The abilities of students at Harvard and the Seoul National University are similar,� Chang said. �But the two schools� students show very different levels of concentration when studying.�
Yale admissions officer Peter Chemery also pointed out the shortcomings of the Korean education system. He said Korean students at Yale are extremely bright, but they appeared to be educated to focus on outcomes such as test scores, rather than nurturing their leadership and creativity. He said it was hard for the university to find out what the students� real talents were and what kind of future they are seeking.
Chemery said such a tendency is common not only in Korea, but also in other countries where students have to take a state-administered entrance exam to get into college."

Failure to develop critical thinking skills is the classic criticism of Korean education. As Korea develops that weakness will become more and more glaring because developed economies need leaders who can adapt to changing circumstances and sort out important information from the irrelevant stuff. Here's a good article about the education system's biggest structural problem, "The Three Nos". http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2874723
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Treefarmer



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thst article matt just posted sgreed with sll my prejudices about korea
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Saxiif



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is one of the few countries where if I could vote I would have a very hard time even figuring out who counts as enough of a lesser of the evils to vote for:

We have Uri which is run by a blundering idiot.

We have Hannara which is a collection of left over fascists from the military dictatorship and puppets of the chaebols

We have the labor party which is made up of largely union members working in export industries that support protectionist trade policy, which is remarkably idiotic

And then we have a motley collection of has-beens and parties that only survive on regionalism and patronage networks
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saxiif wrote:
Korea is one of the few countries where if I could vote I would have a very hard time even figuring out who counts as enough of a lesser of the evils to vote for:

We have Uri which is run by a blundering idiot.

We have Hannara which is a collection of left over fascists from the military dictatorship and puppets of the chaebols

We have the labor party which is made up of largely union members working in export industries that support protectionist trade policy, which is remarkably idiotic

And then we have a motley collection of has-beens and parties that only survive on regionalism and patronage networks


Post feudalist political structure: Whigs and Torries and The Know Nothings

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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the form mayor of seoul lee myoung-bak would be a good potential president. But, his idea of building a canal through korea is very foolish. Why they hell would he want to build a country wide canal and waste money better invested in industry or even as some kind of fund for possible unification.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I thought the form mayor of seoul lee myoung-bak would be a good potential president. But, his idea of building a canal through korea is very foolish. Why they hell would he want to build a country wide canal and waste money better invested in industry or even as some kind of fund for possible unification.


I've never heard this before... HUH? A canal through the country?
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cwemory



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
I thought the form mayor of seoul lee myoung-bak would be a good potential president. But, his idea of building a canal through korea is very foolish. Why they hell would he want to build a country wide canal and waste money better invested in industry or even as some kind of fund for possible unification.


I've never heard this before... HUH? A canal through the country?


Most famously, he proposes building a canal linking the Nakdong and Han rivers. He has also proposes building a canal to link the Yeongsan and Geum rivers. Then the two canals would be linked. I think the name for it is the "Pan-Korea Grand Waterway".
Most likely (I think), it's just a vote-buying strategy for the Honam region. Roh did something similar in 2002 in proposing to move the capital to win votes in the Chungchong region. It's likely that the canal-building will be as sucessful as the capital-moving was.
The Gusts Of Popular Feeling blog has a bit about the proposal.
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2005/10/lee-myung-baks-canal-plan.html
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R. S. Refugee



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treefarmer wrote:
and another question is are they not going to be totally *beep* in the recent future now they being forced into the FTA, and with China growing so fast?


Now you've got me worrying about the "recent future." Very Happy Laughing Very Happy
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