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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| I will NOT vote for Obama, Just because he says what people want to hear does not mean he has the skills to be the CEO of t he most powerful nation the world has ever seen. The man's still wet behind the ears for Christ's sake... |
Yeah, the current eight years of that will plenty enough, thank you. |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| True enough, and I am not defending the current administration which has failed beyond anyone's wildest imagination. However, keep in mind that most American's did not vote for Bush. Everyone knows that Dubbya, wasn't the most qualified candidate. |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Many black leaders come very close to justifying violent backlashes from their community on the grounds that it's the result of pent up frustration with discrimination. My point, which you missed of course, is that no leader of any other minority community would even begin to make such a causal link. |
Pray tell, what do those other minority leaders say are the cause of those riots? Is it your theory, that black people just feel like they can riot anytime they want? Is that what minority groups said during the 1991 latino riot in DC?
The truth is that Obama didn't say anything that hasn't been said by black, white, hispanic or asian people for the last 40 years. Read federal reports about riots and they will say that they are produced by racial tension, poverty, organized crime, etc. Apparently if non-black people say it, it's okay. If black people say it, it's a veiled threat. [/url] |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Doutdes persisted:
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| Pray tell, what do those other minority leaders say are the cause of those riots? Is it your theory, that black people just feel like they can riot anytime they want? Is that what minority groups said during the 1991 latino riot in DC? The truth is that Obama didn't say anything that hasn't been said by black, white, hispanic or asian people for the last 40 years. Read federal reports about riots and they will say that they are produced by racial tension, poverty, organized crime, etc. Apparently if non-black people say it, it's okay. If black people say it, it's a veiled threat |
"Pray tell?" For a liberal you sound more like a Puritan.
Well, Goodman Doutdes, first let me say that you would make a most worthy staffer for the Honorable Senator Obama. Your spin wins.
The point, kind sir, which continues to elude you, is that knowing about such reports and acting on them are FAR, FAR different from bringing them to the public's attention with the threatening insinuation that if you don't elect a black man who can command the respect of the downtrodden, then don't be surprised if they riot again. At best Obama was resorting to scare tactics.
And, yes, to reply pointblank: a lot of blacks (certainly not all or even most) do feel entitled to riot. One of the most disgusting media examples of this sort of scare tactic was Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing. He didn't have the moral courage to put the spotlight in his film on the nonviolent route. Instead, he glorifed the violent route, which even Malcolm X renounced shortly before his assassination by the Black Muslim Brotherhood.
You need to brush up on your history of the civil rights movement.
Buy a vowel and get a clue. |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| The point, kind sir, which continues to elude you, is that knowing about such reports and acting on them are FAR, FAR different from bringing them to the public's attention with the threatening insinuation that if you don't elect a black man who can command the respect of the downtrodden, then don't be surprised if they riot again. At best Obama was resorting to scare tactics. |
Then obviously you didn't listen or read the speech. The speech was about urban renewal, programs for the poor, access to public transit and removing the "quiet riot" which is discrimination and poverty. The only reason you think it's inflammatory is because he's black and his audience was largely black. You've based nothing on his actual words other than "the quiet riot," which you don't even understand. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Doutdes:
Ya know, ignorance is one thing but willful ignorance is something entirely different. Obama won't be our next President as much as you'd like to see it happen. He has too many negatives.
If you really believe in earnest that Obama hasn't done any race-baiting or used subtle scare tactics, then I've got some oceanside property in Afghanistan to sell you dirt cheap.
Sorry I took you to be one of the few discerning posters on this board.
You probably believe blacks aren't inclined toward racism to the same degree as whites, either. Keep smoking those doobies, bruddah. |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| Ya know, ignorance is one thing but willful ignorance is something entirely different. Obama won't be our next President as much as you'd like to see it happen. He has too many negatives. |
Time will tell if he's the next president. But you're certainly wearing blinders. Apparently if I disagree with you I must have a hard on for Obama. He's not my first choice for president. However, from what I know of Obama, I'd be happy with him as the next president. I think he has a better chance than Clinton or Edwards.
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If you really believe in earnest that Obama hasn't done any race-baiting or used subtle scare tactics, then I've got some oceanside property in Afghanistan to sell you dirt cheap.
Sorry I took you to be one of the few discerning posters on this board. |
Oh no, I've lost your respect. I'll just have to cry in my beer for the rest of the night. 
I've read the transcripts of the speech. It was a very hopeful message. It laid out plans to alleviate the suffering of the poor. And when he talked about the poor, he didn't mention color. And when he talked about "quiet riots" he included New Orleans. Which is a far cry from the L.A. riots.
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| You probably believe blacks aren't inclined toward racism to the same degree as whites, either. Keep smoking those doobies, bruddah. |
This discussion is about Obama. You can quote all the statistics you want about racism among whites, blacks or whatever. It's all rubbish when you're talking about a specific person, whether it's Bush, Obama, McCain, etc. Just because some black people are racist, doesn't mean Obama is. Similarly, just because some white people are racist doesn't mean Bush is. You're throwing generalities at individuals and it's meaningless. And I think you know it. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, come on. Steve-O doesn't care about any of that. He and the rest of the ditto-heads are just looking for ways to discredit the man for belonging to the wrong political party. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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twg:
For the umpteenth time, I'm not a registered Republican voter and never have been. I'd prefer a viable third party candidate. I don't even like Rush Limbaugh, besides. He's a one-note trumpeteer.
Doutdes:
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| I think he has a better chance than Clinton or Edwards. |
I wouldn't exactly call that a ringing endorsement. Hillary is power-hungry and deceitful and Edwards is a slick lawyer. Even if I was a Democrat, I wouldn't vote for any of them.
My disdain for Obama is directed at the messenger, not the message, let's be clear on that account.
American politics has become reactionary in the past half century. One party reacts to the other; neither is generally proactive. It's happened twice: JFK in 1960 and Reagan in 1980. It's the inevitable result of a system mired in binary thinking that has fused to such an extent that there really isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference between those nominated from either party as for president most of the time.
I would have voted for Ross Perot just on this basis alone. Let him shake things up. Now it's become to corporate; it will take another rich maverick to do it again. |
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