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pkang0202
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 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Public school Weekend English Camp and Pay? |
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I have to do a weekend English camp starting Friday 4pm-Sunday 12pm. I will be teaching an entire day Friday and leave for the camp as soon as my last class is over.
I was talking to my coteacher and they said something like "The camp is from Friday 4pm to Sunday 12pm. We might not be able to pay you the 20,000/hour overtime."
I've never done one of these weekend camps before. How does the pay work out? I teach 21 hours of classes during a normal week. |
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icnelly
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Public school Weekend English Camp and Pay? |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I have to do a weekend English camp starting Friday 4pm-Sunday 12pm. I will be teaching an entire day Friday and leave for the camp as soon as my last class is over.
I was talking to my coteacher and they said something like "The camp is from Friday 4pm to Sunday 12pm. We might not be able to pay you the 20,000/hour overtime."
I've never done one of these weekend camps before. How does the pay work out? I teach 21 hours of classes during a normal week. |
That's pretty scary man; I'm sure it's required. Pretty sure they have to ask you to work on Saturday and Sunday as well. At least it says something like that in my GEPIK contract. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Public school Weekend English Camp and Pay? |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I have to do a weekend English camp starting Friday 4pm-Sunday 12pm. I will be teaching an entire day Friday and leave for the camp as soon as my last class is over.
I was talking to my coteacher and they said something like "The camp is from Friday 4pm to Sunday 12pm. We might not be able to pay you the 20,000/hour overtime."
I've never done one of these weekend camps before. How does the pay work out? I teach 21 hours of classes during a normal week. |
Neither have I. Never been ask and I'd never agree...I thought I had it bad with summer camp on a Saturday.
What are they going to pay you for your trouble? They might not be able to pay you overtime? Um...is that not what the camp essentially is? Hell, I'd call it Above and Beyond time! |
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alinkorea
Joined: 02 May 2005
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| I've taught public school for two years and I've never heard of a w.end camp. If I were you, I'd discuss pay first. If they don't want to play ball, don't go. You should really get more than normal overtime, as it's at the w.end |
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mrsquirrel
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I would ask for time and a half on Saturday and double for Sunday. normal for after hours on Friday.
Be reasonable and explain that you don't expect to be paid for sleeping but you do expect reasonable accommodation to be provided.
Or if they can't do that which I doubt they can ask for an extra five days vacation time. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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If it's in your contract (and "overtime" should be in your contract), then
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is B.S.
ALL of the monies that the school collects for camps MUST be paid to the teacher. Insist that they are charging the students the required amount that would get you paid what you are owed. If that means they cannot aquire enough students to make it cost feasible, then forget it. If the 20Gs is in your contract, it's THEIR responsibility for them to get it to you. If they can't, bollocks to their program I'd say.
It usually hints in your contract that you are able to refuse work on sundays. I'd push for that at LEAST. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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It usually hints in your contract that you are able to refuse work on sundays. I'd push for that at LEAST. |
If it is a GEPIK contract it does a lot more than hint:
"Employee shall work eight ( hours per day for five (5) calendar days per week from Monday to Friday and shall not work on Saturdays, Sundays and Korean national holidays."
To the OP: If it is a public school you should have a clause like that in your contract. If it is a hakwon on the other hand. you are SOL.
I'd tell them "Oh you might not be able to pay me overtime? Then I might not be able to go." And then I wouldn't.
Oh and bollocks to what the contract says about overtime. If they wanted me to work on a weekEND...they're paying me 40,000 per hour or I wouldn't show up. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Public school Weekend English Camp and Pay? |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
I have to do a weekend English camp starting Friday 4pm-Sunday 12pm. I will be teaching an entire day Friday and leave for the camp as soon as my last class is over.
I was talking to my coteacher and they said something like "The camp is from Friday 4pm to Sunday 12pm. We might not be able to pay you the 20,000/hour overtime."
I've never done one of these weekend camps before. How does the pay work out? I teach 21 hours of classes during a normal week. |
Just tell them NO in no uncertain terms.
It is a clear violation of provincial policy AND a clear violation of your contract.
If you do decide to do it get the pay issue worked out BEFORE you tell them yes.
It is all overtime and all negotiable and if you don't get what you want, SAY NO.
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JD1982
Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Public school Weekend English Camp and Pay? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
I have to do a weekend English camp starting Friday 4pm-Sunday 12pm. I will be teaching an entire day Friday and leave for the camp as soon as my last class is over.
I was talking to my coteacher and they said something like "The camp is from Friday 4pm to Sunday 12pm. We might not be able to pay you the 20,000/hour overtime."
I've never done one of these weekend camps before. How does the pay work out? I teach 21 hours of classes during a normal week. |
Just tell them NO in no uncertain terms.
It is a clear violation of provincial policy AND a clear violation of your contract.
If you do decide to do it get the pay issue worked out BEFORE you tell them yes.
It is all overtime and all negotiable and if you don't get what you want, SAY NO.
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Thanks. I've been asked to do the weekend camp as well and I said NO! The were offering me 6000/hour.  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Interesting turn of events. This is a weekend English camp. There are 10+ native teachers involved in the thing as well as a lot of KT's.
At an open class, the topic was brought up and the representative from the education office said something like "20,000 / hour is too much considering the number of teachers involved in the camp. We have decided on a 200,000 won flat pay for the weekend."
The camp starts Friday 4pm and lasts til Sunday 12pm. On one hand, I can press the issue and look like greedy and petty and make my school look bad. On the other hand, I can just leave it alone, take the 200,000 won.
Is it worth pressing the issue for the extra pay? This is outside of the hands of my school so I would be arguing directly with GEPIK. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Interesting turn of events. This is a weekend English camp. There are 10+ native teachers involved in the thing as well as a lot of KT's.
At an open class, the topic was brought up and the representative from the education office said something like "20,000 / hour is too much considering the number of teachers involved in the camp. We have decided on a 200,000 won flat pay for the weekend."
The camp starts Friday 4pm and lasts til Sunday 12pm. On one hand, I can press the issue and look like greedy and petty and make my school look bad. On the other hand, I can just leave it alone, take the 200,000 won.
Is it worth pressing the issue for the extra pay? This is outside of the hands of my school so I would be arguing directly with GEPIK. |
Since pay appears to be off the table (100k per day + food and beer isn't all that bad) and you can use it later to INSIST when you want a favor.
Make it CLEAR that you WILL expect a similar "FAVOR" at some future date and don't just chalk it up to good will.
As an alternative you can stand on the NO WEEKEND clause in your contract if you really don't want to do it.
The choice is yours. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Do it for 20,000 (pretty cheap though) and only teach 10 classes. Are these classes? What the hell is it? Do you go canoeing and have campfires? I'm confused.
If it's a camp teaching classes in a classroom.... What is it?
Meanwhile some greedy sob is making money from the parents and trying to rip you off. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Public school Weekend English Camp and Pay? |
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| JD1982 wrote: |
Thanks. I've been asked to do the weekend camp as well and I said NO! The were offering me 6000/hour. |
Was that based on a teaching hour or daily hour? 6000/hr for 24 hours actually isn't that bad. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as I can tell this camp is a weekend English fun camp thing. I'm in charge of Golden Bell quiz show, someone else is doing song and dance, etc... |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Interesting turn of events. This is a weekend English camp. There are 10+ native teachers involved in the thing as well as a lot of KT's.
At an open class, the topic was brought up and the representative from the education office said something like "20,000 / hour is too much considering the number of teachers involved in the camp. We have decided on a 200,000 won flat pay for the weekend."
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Man alive. That's not even worth it.
Seriously that's garbage. If they are not even going to honour their own contracts...sounds like they are testing you guys to see how much nonsense you will put up with.
So....
Weekend work
Overtime not paid
Next time they'll probably try to get you to do it for free. |
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