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[RACETRAITOR]

So far it seems like all of Bingo's posts I've seen have been trying to convince us Jesus didn't exist. Why even bother?

[Kwangjuchicken]

[Bingo]

Cangel, there is zero evidence that Jesus existed. It's speculation and educated guesses. We simply do not know. There were no eye witnesses. None of the gospel writers ever met Jesus. Does this mean he didn't exist. No. But there is also no evidence that he did. And the stories that are passed down about him are so outlandish that it is not unreasonable to place him in the Zeus, Krishna, Thor, Horus category. Remember, 2000 years ago people believed that Hercules was also a real person.

Cangel. If you have some evidence that Jesus existed I'd love to see it.

[Bingo]

There's plenty of stuff out there on the web on this subject. Here are two sites:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/preamble.htm

I am not entirely convinced that he didn't exist. He may have. But there are strong arguments against an historical Jesus. And no evidence for an historical Jesus.

Cheers.

[Troll_Bait]

[mindmetoo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Greco-Roman_sources

That's what we got in terms of non-believer third party "confirmation". It's mostly just "people in Judea say there was this guy." I don't doubt there was a guy name Jesus. But as I'd doubt the history of Kim Jong Il written by a state historian or the history of Mao written by one of his Cultural Revolution followers, I'd doubt the accuracy of the gospels. They're partisan works. Like all partisan works written after the execution of their leader, they go a long way in mythologizing the person.

[Rteacher]

Materially motivated, speculative theories about the appearance or nonappearance of absolute truth within the relative world of duality (or what transpired in remote history) appeal mainly to people conditioned to have certain biases.

People who believe that the absolute truth is ultimately impersonal or void - be they physical scientists, religionists, linguists, historians (or whatever) see what they want to see in terms of proof, ignoring or misinterpreting evidence to the contrary...

Great souls are broadminded (mahatmas...) They understand that different spiritual traditions are for different types of people, with different levels of understanding, and according to different times and places.

They also can see that there is one infinitely intelligent and powerful being that's the source of everything, who chooses to reveal Himself proportionately according to one's particular faith and devotion ...

Here's what I consider to be a relevant passage from an interesting essay:

...In Ashoka's Edicts it is rightfully stated, "Never think or say your religion is the best. Never denounce the religion of others. But honor in them whatever is worthy of honor." After all, what good is a religion which condemns everybody else's philosophy or symbols for God except its own? Some religions say that if God is represented in a form, beautiful or symbolic, or is established in a Deity, then it is heathen or superstition, so it is bad. But if God comes in the form of a dove, burning bush, or a pillar of fire, it is holy. This is completely contradictory to the understanding of the omnipotent ability of the Supreme.

In all religions throughout the world, the external differences are easily noticed. These may be in regard to rituals, posture, clothing, food, behavior, or sanctity. There will be differences in conceptions of God and the objects of worship, or in the name of God because of differences in language or traditions. So it is natural that religions of the world may become disunited because of these differences. But it is very improper that there should be quarrel among them on the grounds of this disunion. We should, as mature servants of God, think that the religion of others still holds the same worship of the same Highest Entity as my religion, my God. Their practice may be different and I may not understand it, so I appreciate my own religion. However, there is only one God, therefore I also respect this form of worship and offer my prayers to God who is being worshiped in a different way.

For example, the Jewish tradition has always implied that a Jewish soul has an advantage over non-Jews to realize or love God, but Judaism itself provides evidence to indicate otherwise. One quote that affirms that anyone has the ability to realize God, regardless of his race, religion, or sex, is: "Elijah said, 'I bring heaven and earth to bear witness that any human being, Jew or Gentile, man or woman, freeman or slave, according to his deeds, can become worthy of Rauch HaKodesh, the Holy Spirit, the transcendental experience." (Tana DeBei Eliahu Rabba 9, Bahir II. 94)

God does not favor one sect or religion over another, but monitor's one's sincerity, devotion, surrender, and willingness to help and love others. And God reciprocates with one to the same degree of his or her devotion and sincerity. God is not the kind of being who favors only one sect and allows all others to be damned. Everyone is a part of God, otherwise they would not be here, and He cares for all.

In order to show His concern, God sends not just one but as many messengers and representatives as it takes to help guide and deliver all beings from material existence. The essence of that message, and all genuine religion, is the same. They all teach that we should not get stuck in material life, but to keep moving toward pure spiritual existence. The essential method in all religions by which this is accomplished is simple: Love God, love all others as parts of God, and act in that way at all times. The Supreme Being has made it simple. It is only humanity that has created the confusion found in the divisions of religions...
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/when_religions_create_divisions.htm

[RACETRAITOR]

Just when you thought this thread couldn't get any more retarded.

[Bramble]

I don't think it's retarded at all ... in fact, it's one of the least retarded threads I've seen around here in a long time. The information Troll Bait provided was really interesting, and I'm going to have to get around to reading that book some day.

Thanks, Troll Bait, for making this board something other than a complete waste of time.

[RACETRAITOR]

Well I think Bingo is trolling atheism. Everything he's written lately has been about the historicity of Jesus. And random Hare Krishna spamming doesn't help.

[Rteacher]

I'm mainly trying to retard the stupidity of others...

[Bingo]

Bramble,

The entire Jesus Puzzle book can be read online at this website:

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/home.htm

It also offers an excellent overview in the Jeaus Puzzle in a Nutshell section.

Read it and pass it on to a friend.

[Xian]

Of course He existed..... Many people come with a bias towards the argument though (on both sides of the discussion), so despite evidence on both sides, the mind is really made up before they even approach the facts with an objective mind.

The existence of Christ has been talked about a number of times here. There are a number of Christian and non-Christian sources that attest to Christ's existence.

So what academic support does the Jesus Myth have???? I don't know any good argument for it.
Obviously Christians believe Christ existed, but even large amounts of non-Christians still believe Jesus existed.

Get rid of Christ, get rid of Christianity - Will never happen!

[RACETRAITOR]

[Xian]