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ella

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: American accent training |
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| Has anyone found any of the American accent training books and CDs at Amazon.com to be effective with Koreans, or do you have a favorite book/CD elsewhere? |
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Woden
Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Location: Eurasia
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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Have your students asked to sound American?
Seeing as they will never sound American, are you not setting them up to fail? Would be better to model your natural English to them and if they can achieve intelligibility then leave it at that...
...if they are demanding a US accent then fair enough, it is their money they are wasting.
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xeno439
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Come on...let's not enforce the view among Koreans that American English is the only - or most important - English to learn. British English is growing in important, and it is necessariy to understand other accents if the English learned is going to be universally useful.
Of course...there are some situations when learning specifically American English (or whatever kind of English) is useful, but it shouldn't be taught as a general rule. |
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ella

Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, xeno439. Have you used the program at Americanaccent.com?
I know there are lots of different accent-training programs out there, I'm looking for anyone who's had success with a specific program and Koreans. |
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xeno439
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I don't need to use that program. Keep Googling. I did find a free one once. I wanted to teach my KGF how to speak like an American, but I never went through with it. |
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xtchr
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Just tell them to pinch their nose shut and double the volume.
Of course I'm only joking (kind of...) |
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unknown9398

Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: American accent training |
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| ella wrote: |
| Has anyone found any of the American accent training books and CDs at Amazon.com to be effective with Koreans, or do you have a favorite book/CD elsewhere? |
I'm curious about what accent they consider American, since there are so many different accents around the country. Boston, New York, the South, Texas, etc. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Location: at my wit's end
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: American accent training |
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I'm curious about what accent they consider American, since there are so many different accents around the country. Boston, New York, the South, Texas, etc. |
Probably California, since that's what they hear in movies and is possibly the most "neutral" American accent. I can't imagine anyone wanting to sound like they're from the Northeast or the South (even though I spent most of my life in Arkansas)! |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course, Koreans could set up hagwons in the states and have students study 6 months to a year at them to gain American English fluency. In fact, some wealthy Korean parents do send their kids over to Canada or the states for 6 months which is the only reason why our hagwon loses students. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| This is an important area, one that is not researched well. Immigrants who move to the US, esp those in professional positions really want to lose their accent. Many of the programs offered really do work and a accent reduction clinic would go over were here in Korea. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have a great book for teaching standard North American pronunciation. The good thing is that it does address world Englishes, and it's still good even if you're teaching another accent, because of the way they present the information.
The book is called Teaching American English Pronunciation by Peter Avery and Susan Ehrlich. It's part of a seris called Oxford Handbooks for Language Teachers.
What I really like about this book is that it focuses as much on suprasegmentals as on segmentals. Many books just focus on segmentals, though suprasegmentals (intonation and word/sentence stress) are surprisingly what make the biggest difference in terms of intelligibility.
It also emphasizes that you should aim for comprehensibility over perfect accent. I found this book to be very useful! It also has suggestions of other books that may be helpful at the back. I highly recommend it. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: American accent training |
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| unknown9398 wrote: |
| ella wrote: |
| Has anyone found any of the American accent training books and CDs at Amazon.com to be effective with Koreans, or do you have a favorite book/CD elsewhere? |
I'm curious about what accent they consider American, since there are so many different accents around the country. Boston, New York, the South, Texas, etc. |
There is a "standard" American accent. It sounds similar to the standard Canadian accent. Canada doesn't have nearly as much variation in accent, something that's actually very surprising considering Canada's size (also, very unlike Canadian French, which varies tremendously over very short distances). |
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Woden
Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Location: Eurasia
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: Re: American accent training |
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| littlelisa wrote: |
| unknown9398 wrote: |
| ella wrote: |
| Has anyone found any of the American accent training books and CDs at Amazon.com to be effective with Koreans, or do you have a favorite book/CD elsewhere? |
I'm curious about what accent they consider American, since there are so many different accents around the country. Boston, New York, the South, Texas, etc. |
There is a "standard" American accent. It sounds similar to the standard Canadian accent. Canada doesn't have nearly as much variation in accent, something that's actually very surprising considering Canada's size (also, very unlike Canadian French, which varies tremendously over very short distances). |
Accents tend to differ most where there are old, established communities which are not transient. For example, UK has most variation in accent because the communities have had most time to develop and historically have been settled.
This is completely different from Canada, which is newly settled with a mobile population. Also, dialect levelling occurs where people from different regions settle, creating a 'general' accent. Canada was settled, like the western US, by highly transient groups with different language/dialect backgrounds, which had the effect of levelling off the local accent. I cannot comment on the French Canadian situation.
I would be interested though if anyone has knowledge of the Nova Scotia region of Canada, as I believe they still speak Gaelic there, and their accent is very Scottish/Irish (more Scottish, I think). Can anyone comment on this? |
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littlelisa
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but even for a colony, Canada has a remarkably standard accent considering its size. The only other place that compares is New Zealand and it's much smaller. Compare Canada's standard English to the US, which has a lot more variation.
French Quebecers still speak like French people did back in the 1700s. It's really interesting. But there's a lot of variation for sure. Probably as much as you'd find in England, which again, is uncommon since it is a colony.
You're thinking of Newfies maybe? Newfies are the only ones who have a different accent, and often will speak in their own dialect, which is totally incomprehensible to everyone else. It's not Gaellic, though.
Nova Scotians have a fairly standard accent. |
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