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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Glad to hear it Homer. It is a racist term. Yu bum suk used it as well. I thought I'd point it out. I know you are reasonable enough even if I don't always agree with you on things.
I will agree that maybe the OP seemed to overreact but I figured it was just venting. Heat of the moment type thing. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
Guri, it is not acceptable to be racist to anyone. The OP used the term Jap when talking about his car. He should have used another term but this is a bit of a PC reaction in overdrive don't you think?
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I used the term "White Boy" to describe a Caucasian Male. I got a new A hole torn into me about that. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Using Jap in this way is still a racial slur. Sorry...Nice try though. 
Anyway, read this article if you think it isn't racist.
�Jap� Cars
Via Pandagon.net
I think politicians should be required to take racial sensitivity classes before they start campaigning. Seriously. Not to protect the minorities they will otherwise inevitably offend � you can�t get a racist cat to change its stripes, and while �Macaca-gate� was pretty insulting, people of colour are more offended by the racist legislation than the racist language. No, politicians and related professionals should undergo racial sensitivity training because they seem to be too stupid along with their racism.
A bare month after Macaca-gate, former Minnesota Representative Mike Osskopp, now acting as director of Representative John Kline�s campaign in Minnesota was caught on camera yelling a racial slur to passing cars. As cars drove by, Osskopp shreiked to the drivers that they were driving �Jap� cars. (Click on this link to view the video, courtesy of Inside Minnesota Politics.)
Idiot. There�s a camera on you. The idiocy of racism is only compounded by the idiocy of racism with a camera on you.
�Jap� is a racial slur that was frequently used during WWII to villainize Japanese troops (although it originated earlier than that, pretty much as soon as the Japanese landed in America). Not only was it used as a slur by troops fighting Japanese soldiers, but was used at home during the oppression and internment of Japanese American citizens and even against non-Japanese Asian Americans by those who couldn�t tell the difference.
�Jap� was later used by the killers of Vincent Chin, uttered moments before Chin was fatally beaten by Ron Ebens and Michael Nitz in 1982. Incidentally, this hate crime was fueled by the same anti-Japanese sentiment that resulted from foreign vs. domestic automabile manufacturers feuding that seems to have triggered the Osskopp Incident earlier this week. Also, Ebens and Nitz did not spend a single day in jail for their killing of Chin.
Non-Asians still defend the usage of this racial slur, particularly in the automobile industry where there is still heavy competition between foreign and domestic car companies and fans of certain car manufactures have canonized the use of �Jap� to refer to foreign-made vehicles. Perhaps this was what Osskop was referring to � but that doesn�t negate the slur�s historical usage. Before there were cars, in fact, there were racist White Americans uttering the word �Jap� as rationalization to disenfranchise, dehumanize, maim, and murder Japanese Americans and other Asian Americans who, at the time, were, because of their status as �Japs� afforded no legal rights of their own. �Jap� is a reminder of our community�s historical treatment as animals (and indeed, the treatment was extended to all Asian Americans regardless of our ethnicity) and should not be tolerated in today�s society.
Osskop released a statement of apology yesterday, trying to pass the blame by claiming ignorance:
�I apologize if my words offended any Americans of Japanese descent, including my sister-in-law,� Osskopp said. �I allowed my emotions to get the better of me and used a phrase commonly used in my youth, but which is now inappropriate and offensive.�
Note the typical desperate response by a member of the mainstream when accused of racism. Osskopp first denies that the words themselves were racist, instead apologizing for the offense rather than the trigger. Secondly, Osskopp uses the �I didn�t know it was racist defense� coupled with the �don�t blame me, blame my parents defense�, describes how he is now a better person for having been educated in how not to be racist (or at least how not to be racist in front of a camera), and we even learn the interesting yet completely irrelevant factoid that Osskopp has a Japanese American sister-in-law, which must acquit him of any racial wrongdoing, right? I mean, after all, he�s got Asian in his family; he�s got to be worldly!
Thankfully, Kline has publicly condemned Osskopp�s remarks, but I�m betting that�s nothing more than lip service. After all, we�re talking about the same region that sparked statewide backlash against Hmong immigrants a year ago when Chai Vang was convicted for the shooting deaths of six White (and probably inebriated) hunters after a language problem and inter-cultural tension escalated into a violent confrontation.
Ultimately, Osskopp will get away with a proverbial slap-on-the-wrist and no one will remember this incident in a month (if they know about it now). It certainly is unlikely to hurt Kline�s campaign, and it�s hard to imagine the largely monochromatic population of Minnesota being up in arms to defend the Asian American community from rampant racial slurs in the same vein as �macaca�.
It only goes to show you how desperately we need to become involved in politics. In roughly a month, two racial slurs directed against our community have come to light, and yet we have very little recourse with which to make a lasting political consequence.
This kind of behaviour from our nation�s politicians will only continue so long as we continue to do nothing to stop it.
http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=513 |
Yeah.... Sorry but no. Break out the violin!
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Whatever you say. Here is a list of racial slurs. Pick and choose the ones you think are acceptable. Can I call Koreans "Gooks"? Or call Hyundai cars "Gook cars"?
Maybe I can call Koreans "bucketheads". Is that cool?
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Buckethead - Koreans
Of all Asian groups, Koreans are said to have the biggest heads. |
http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html |
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maximreality
Joined: 24 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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My car here has gotten hit by a bus, taxi, normal car, motorbike, concrete traffic barrier rolling down a hill, piece of concrete flying from a truck in front blowing up 2 tires, someone in a parking lot few times and in addition vandalized using a blue permanent marker pen, has had suspension changed due to overspeeding into a speed bump and few other things.
So this kind of **** can happen quite often and it also happen to almost everybody here. I would count these kind of things as part of normal running costs of having a car here. Seoul is a big city with lots of cars with small streets and even smaller parking lots. No reason to hate Koreans because of this. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Whatever you say. Here is a list of racial slurs. Pick and choose the ones you think are acceptable. Can I call Koreans "Gooks"? Or call Hyundai cars "Gook cars"?
Maybe I can call Koreans "bucketheads". Is that cool?
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Buckethead - Koreans
Of all Asian groups, Koreans are said to have the biggest heads. |
http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html |
Ethnic slur directed towards A CAR!
Oh lordie lordie 
You can be offended at whatever you want and I shall do the same.
Oh...and if he did say "Gook car" I'd bet you wouldn't be making a big stink about it anyway....hypoctite   |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Actually I would point it out. Find somewhere where I have posted a racial slur against Koreans. Stop making crap up. You seem to be the one that is hypocritical. You have no problem with a racist slur against Japanese people. Directed at a car still qualifies it as racist. If you took the time to read the article I posted, it got a US politician in a lot of trouble.
Racial slurs are not constructive period. I firmly believe that. Calling something a "Jap car" is meant to be insulting. Only a small minded bigot would think otherwise. You are entitled to your opinion though. By all means go to Japan and walk around telling the people there how wonderful "Jap cars" are. I am sure they won't be offended.
Agree to disagree then.
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Guri Guy wrote: |
Actually I would point it out. Stop making crap up. You seem to be the one that is hypocritical. You have no problem with a racist slur against Japanese people. Directed at a car still qualifies it as racist. If you took the time to read the article I posted, it got a US politician in a lot of trouble.
Racial slurs are not constructive period. I firmly believe that. Calling something a "Jap car" is meant to be insulting. Only a small minded bigot would think otherwise. |
Actually, I did read the article and I still don't agree with your position. |
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ca12bon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: The replies have gone on enough I think |
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Yes, I was venting and I said some nasty remarks. Who cares? LoL
As for the term "Jap", I didn't use it as a racial term, and if there ARE
any Japanese people who are offended by it, I will appologize whole heartedly to THEM, but I don't think anyone here is immature enough
to take that to racial lengths, LoL.
Now have a good night and stop whining please! |
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denistron
Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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this thread
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool. No worries then. |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| maximreality wrote: |
My car here has gotten hit by a bus, taxi, normal car, motorbike, concrete traffic barrier rolling down a hill, piece of concrete flying from a truck in front blowing up 2 tires, someone in a parking lot few times and in addition vandalized using a blue permanent marker pen, has had suspension changed due to overspeeding into a speed bump and few other things.
So this kind of **** can happen quite often and it also happen to almost everybody here. I would count these kind of things as part of normal running costs of having a car here. Seoul is a big city with lots of cars with small streets and even smaller parking lots. No reason to hate Koreans because of this. |
No, but it is a good reason to hate thier civil planners. And its a good reason to hate the universities who pass civil engineering grad students who are still retarded only because those student had parents who bribed the university (happens on a wide scale; there are very few legit grad students here).
Driving here DOES suck, but you realize that at least 1/2 of it isnt the people driving, its the poor design of the roads. |
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normalcyispasse
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Driving here DOES suck, but you realize that at least 1/2 of it isnt the people driving, its the poor design of the roads. |
Or of the traffic signals. Seriously, uni-directional traffic flow? Signals that change with no buffer period? Inconsistent timing and directional patterns between intersections? SO SMART. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Guri...the OP is the one who used the word "jap".... Laughing |
Of course Homer. I am not sure why you are laughing about it though. That's my point. You guys are more than willing to trash the guy and call him a racist for saying negative things about Korea but completely ignore his use of the word "Jap". ? |
I mentioned this way back at the end of page 2. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| As for me, I'm planning on buying a car here in Korea to drive around. Common SENSE tells me that I should buy the cheapest car around. Probably a Matiz. |
Hell yeah man.. you're gonna be getting some serious yata action with that badass Matiz. Chicks really dig frugality. |
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