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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: An interesting thought about Koreans overseas |
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I read this article. I thought that it does show a good understanding of the wrong koreans to have in your country.
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A SHORT trip to Davao City this week has kept me thinking a lot about Koreans. I don�t know a single Korean, by personal or Koreanovela encounter, but I can�t keep them out of my mind these days.
The ubiquitous Koreans have not endeared themselves to Filipinos, at least the ones who have dealt with them in one way or another, despite the Philippines being host of the biggest Korean population in Southeast Asia. To me, they�re a noisy lot when they ride the plane and they always make me feel excluded by their incomprehensible talk. One of these days, I�m going to get one of those �Jumong� actors to teach me Korean.
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http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2007/06/28/oped/michelle.p..so.caught.in.the.net.html
They really do look bad in this article, though she does seem to be just saying it as she sees it. |
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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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A Korean guy I know moved to Indonesia recently and had some interesting things to say about Koreans in Indonesia.
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So, I live in Tangerang, one of the satellite cities of Jakarta, together with two of my co-workers, both Koreans, and both assholes. One of them, for instance, has no other joy in life than bitching about how corrupt the Indonesian society is, how hopeless the Indonesian economy is, and how uncivilized the Indonesian people are. Well, actually, she seems to be somewhat tired of doing so, and thus will supposedly fly back home soon, which is good for me. The other, having already spent about four years here, even fluent in bahasa Indonesia, still doesn�t have one local friend, as the only Indonesians he talks to are the driver and kitchenmaid also employed by our boss. They are typical, yet not the very worst case. Most of the Korean residents in town, if not all, tend to regard themselves as a different species. They never admit that they are only guests. And they behave, to make it easier for you to understand, just the same way a lot of G.I. Jocks and other Amerikkkan scumbags do in Korea. I already had enough of this �so-glad-I-wasn�t-born-in-your-miserable-shithole-country-but-living-as-a-foreigner-is-sweet� type bullshit. Please, no, not any more. |
http://www.musirorecords.com/?p=76 |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:02 am Post subject: |
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BuHaoChi wrote: |
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About five years ago, a group of Korean TV journalists, through an interpreter, asked me if the Cebu media was singling out Koreans in negative news stories. At that time, about five crime stories involving Koreans (as perpetrators and as victims) had come out in the paper. It seems to them, they said, whenever a Korean figured in the news, it was always because of something bad that he had done. |
No wonder they do it to us!  |
What absolute hypocrites!! |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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It seems Koreans are getting quite a bad reputation in the Philippines. I heard many Filipinos wouldn't marry Koreans because of the fear of domestic violence. Whether this is true or not the market for arranged marriages in the Philippines for Koreans has dried up. Apparently they have moved on to Vietnam. It'd be interesting to hear the Vietnamese perspective on Koreans. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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In all fairness, the bit about taxi drivers keeping their 25 centavos because Koreans want all the change from the fare is just an example of the Koreans assuming things are like they are back home. You get your cab change to the last baek won here, whether you want it or not. There is no tipping culture and what they are doing is pretty much akin to the scores of young North Americans who come here every year and start trying to tip like they do back home. |
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indytrucks

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: The Shelf
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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It's not just the Philippines. Last summer at Angkor, my driver (who I hired for a week and had built up quite a little rapport with by the end) told me at dinner on the last night I was there that Koreans and Korean tour groups were the most hated tourists (by Khmers) at Angkor. It didn't always use to be that way ... I told him I was there 5 years ago, and at that time the scourges of the tourist community were, according to him, Israelis. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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I was talking to a co teacher last night on the way home and she mentioned that there had been a documentary on Korean TV about Korean students who were going to the Philippines, dating Filipino women, getting them pregnant and then going back to Korea and never contacting them again.
Supposedly it had not made the filipinos very happy. Go figure. I do think that Korean tourists are their own worst enemy sometimes.
I met a scuba instructor in the Philippines who said he would never dive with them again. Said that they failed to listen to instructions and would just do what ever pleased them, regardless of whether it was dangerous or not.
I think that many Koreans don't like certain behaviors but its not really considered polite to make an issue about them, so it just goes on. The problem is when the same behaviours are carried out oversea and the local people in their countries don't view it as favorably and don't feel any restrictions about saying so. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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"Summer Wine"]I was talking to a co teacher last night on the way home and she mentioned that there had been a documentary on Korean TV about Korean students who were going to the Philippines, dating Filipino women, getting them pregnant and then going back to Korea and never contacting them again.
Supposedly it had not made the filipinos very happy. Go figure. I do think that Korean tourists are their own worst enemy sometimes.
I met a scuba instructor in the Philippines who said he would never dive with them again. Said that they failed to listen to instructions and would just do what ever pleased them, regardless of whether it was dangerous or not.
I think that many Koreans don't like certain behaviors but its not really considered polite to make an issue about them, so it just goes on. The problem is when the same behaviours are carried out oversea and the local people in their countries don't view it as favorably and don't feel any restrictions about saying so. |
Funny, I thought women pretty much controlled if they wanted to have a baby or not. It's a woman's right to choose, right? Guess they didn't get their "get out of Cambodia Free" card that they were hoping for. |
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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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I remember a story from Michael Breen�s �The Koreans� about how flight attendants always hated to fly the Seoul routes because the Koreans were so rowdy and rude. Really, who wants to be manhandled and verbally abused by a drunk ajoshi shouting �YA! Whisky! YA!�? I suppose if they want to behave that way in their own country, that�s fine, but when they go abroad they seem to think that the world is their doormat.
At some point, it seems there is a disconnect between Korea and the rest of the world�
When I was a young, impressionable student studying in Beijing, I used to have a Korean suitemate and he would NEVER talk to me, unless there was some pertinent matter to be discussed. In the beginning, I would try to make small talk with him in Chinese, but he really wasn�t interested. He was an advanced student, so the Chinese wasn't the problem. He wasn�t socially retarded either because he had tons of Korean friends over at all hours of the day. His friends weren�t that friendly either.
(Probably didn�t help that I had a very �loud� girlfriend at the time�if you catch my drift�. )
About 30 to 40% of the campus�s foreign population was Koreans. The rest were mostly Japanese, Westerners, other Asians, South and Central Americans, and Africans. Everybody pretty much hung out with each other, drank together, etc. Except the Koreans. They had their own bars, clubs, and restaurants (Wudaokou, anybody?) and lived entirely within their own social bubble. Most of them, it seemed, didn�t even have Chinese friends. It was like Korea against the world. Nobody seemed to like them, and they didn�t seem to like us.
How sad. What an odd little cultural legacy this place has. It seems like it's changing, slowly, though. I think the next generation who have grown up in hagwons will be much more receptive to the outside world.
So, hence the reason why I�m here�I just had to find out what the hell makes these people tick.  |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
... this �so-glad-I-wasn�t-born-in-your-miserable-*beep*-country-but-living-as-a-foreigner-is-sweet� type *beep*. |
eh RACETRAITOR  |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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VanIslander wrote: |
RACETRAITOR wrote: |
... this �so-glad-I-wasn�t-born-in-your-miserable-*beep*-country-but-living-as-a-foreigner-is-sweet� type *beep*. |
eh RACETRAITOR  |
That guy has had some bad encounters with foreigners in this country. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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BuHaoChi wrote: |
I remember a story from Michael Breen�s �The Koreans� about how flight attendants always hated to fly the Seoul routes because the Koreans were so rowdy and rude. Really, who wants to be manhandled and verbally abused by a drunk ajoshi shouting �YA! Whisky! YA!�? I suppose if they want to behave that way in their own country, that�s fine, but when they go abroad they seem to think that the world is their doormat.
At some point, it seems there is a disconnect between Korea and the rest of the world�
When I was a young, impressionable student studying in Beijing, I used to have a Korean suitemate and he would NEVER talk to me, unless there was some pertinent matter to be discussed. In the beginning, I would try to make small talk with him in Chinese, but he really wasn�t interested. He was an advanced student, so the Chinese wasn't the problem. He wasn�t socially retarded either because he had tons of Korean friends over at all hours of the day. His friends weren�t that friendly either.
(Probably didn�t help that I had a very �loud� girlfriend at the time�if you catch my drift�. )
About 30 to 40% of the campus�s foreign population was Koreans. The rest were mostly Japanese, Westerners, other Asians, South and Central Americans, and Africans. Everybody pretty much hung out with each other, drank together, etc. Except the Koreans. They had their own bars, clubs, and restaurants (Wudaokou, anybody?) and lived entirely within their own social bubble. Most of them, it seemed, didn�t even have Chinese friends. It was like Korea against the world. Nobody seemed to like them, and they didn�t seem to like us.
So, hence the reason why I�m here�I just had to find out what the hell makes these people tick.  |
The Japanese have been accused of not mixing either. I remember reading that the Japanese were voted as the least friendly athletes in the Atlanta Olympics because they didn't mingle with the other athletes.
But I would tend to think that they acted that way not because they're unfriendly, but because they're workaholics. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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It's a woman's right to choose, right? |
Philippines is a catholic country. Its not so easy to get abortions or at least good ones. |
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