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[cbclark4]

This thread is to discuss those who support Hezbollah
(Iranian backed terror organization that promotes the ideals of the Sharia)
while condemning homophobia.

I am looking for some serious heartfelt responses.


Sharia Law:

"Homosexuality, moreover, is considered a grave sin. In Hadith, Muhammad clarifies the gravity of this by saying: "Allah curses the one who does the actions (homosexual practices) of the people of Lut," repeating it three times; saying in another Hadith: "If a man comes upon a man then they are both adulterers." Here, he considered homosexuality tantamount to adultery in relation to the Shari�ah punishments because it is an abomination on the one hand, and the definition of adultery applies to it on the other hand.....As for lesbians, Muhammad said about them: "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses." The homosexual receives the same punishment as an adulterer. This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times.

International controversy came about when two gay teenagers were publicly executed (following lashings in prison) in Iran, 19 July 2005, for homosexual relations. The youths were hanged in Edalat Square in the city of Mashhad, in north east Iran. The youths were believed to have been 16 years old at the time they had had relations. Under the Iranian penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be hanged. Three other boys have gone into hiding due to the incident. Gay men have been publicly executed in Saudi Arabia, where beheading is the primary method, and in Taliban Afghanistan, where men were crushed with large boulders. It's debated how many gay men have been executed in Saudi Arabia, with some estimates placing the number of executions in the thousands in the last 15 years, while other estimates are much smaller. Critics have noted that, in countries where it is punishable by death to be homosexual, men are accused of homosexuality for political reasons. This accusation has been made regarding Nigeria. It has also been suggested that there is dissonance between the capital illegality of homosexuality in many Muslim nations and the frequency of homosexual sex and desire for it, and that arrests and executions are done primarily for political reasons. The Iranian teens argued that they didn't deserve to die because, being culturally denied interactions with women, homosexual sex was common among the boys they know and they didn't know it was illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Illegal_sexual_relations

[On the other hand]

I guess you could also ask conservatives of a certain age if they supported the Afghan resistance against the USSR. Because we all know how enlightened those guys turned out to be.

[Big_Bird]

It seems, from the question you posed on another thread, that this nonsense was aimed (at least partly) at me.

What do you mean by 'those who support Hezbollah?' There is nobody who regularly posts on this forum (at least that I have seen) who is what I would call a supporter of Hezbollah.

There are a few posters, DD and Adventurer (off the top of my head), who are able to hear the name Hezbollah without frothing at the mouth and having apoleptic fits. This does not make us 'Hezbollah lovers' as jinju would call us. It simply means that we are able to examine the reasons for Hezbollah's existence, and understand their motives. It means we are able to see Hezbollah as a group of human beings, with the same kind of desires, goals and motivations that human beings have shared for millenia. Just because we try to understand their position, does not mean we buy into everything that Hezbollah supposedly stands for.

I imagine that DD and Adventurer, like me, wish that Hezbollah did not espouse the chauvenistic version of Islam they have chosen. However, this does not mean I do not understand the reasons this group came into being, and why Hezbollah was so effective when other resistence groups were not. Nor does it mean I have no sympathy for the experiences and conditions the Shiite Lebanese have suffered, and which ultimately gave rise to this group.

I think you need to do some homework, cbc, and stop being so silly, naive and mindlessly simplistic.

[Kuros]

[Kuros]

[On the other hand]

[cbclark4]

[Mosley]

BB is clearly an apologist for Islamofascism.

OTOH: You have a definite MO, don't you? Always ignore the nitty-gritty of the topic(in which case you would have to expose your support-or not- of the type of vile hatred put forth by "freedom fighters" like Hezbollah). Instead, bring up something out of left-field(pardon the pun) and try to point the finger at the "right".

I can tell you that as a LIBERTARIAN of "a certain age" I certainly did support the support of Afghans fighting the Soviets. If the Taliban hadn't emerged as the "victors" of post-Soviet puppet regime Afghanistan, there might not have been a training ground for Al-Qaeda and therefore, no need for Western intervention.

[Saxiif]

[Mosley]

There were many factions fighting the Soviets(and fighting the Soviets was a good thing-self-evident to me) and after the Soviet withdrawl they took to fighting each other. Unfortunately, Taliban emerged as the strongest group. There is little difference between Taliban and Hezbollah in terms of vile hatred.

[Saxiif]

[Mosley]

Saxiif: I can't really quibble w/your basic assertion-the details maybe-but not your basic point.

Call me an old "Cold Warrior" if you like but Western support(such as it was) for the Afghans fighting the Soviets was justified. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[Saxiif]

[Mosley]

Nothing "silly" about it at all. The Soviet Union was the chief enemy of the West c.1979 and it was right to oppose them. The Western Allies had to accept the Soviet Union as an ally in 1941 in order to fight the Nazis. Unpleasant to accept a scumbag like Uncle Joe as an ally? You bet but after the German invasion of Russia it had to be done. The Soviets proved it was an alliance of convenience for them even before the German surrender.

[Big_Bird]