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Kwon 200,000 fine - Alien Registration Card
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icekool



Joined: 19 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject: Kwon 200,000 fine - Alien Registration Card Reply with quote

I have a problem that I need some help with. This problem may happen to anyone, including you.
I am relatively new to Korea. To cut a long story short. The director did not register me or take me to be registered for a ARC (Alien Registration Card). I only learned about the ARC through another English teacher. Had I known earlier, I would have reported and registered. As I do not want or need any trouble.
Only after my insistence did the director begrudgingly take me to the Immigration Office. Therein is a rather neat trick. If your director does not register you after 15 days of your arrival and you do not register yourself within 90 days of arrival, when you do register yourself you will be fined Kwon 200,000 by the Korean Immigration Service and your director will not be penalized at all.
Has anyone had a problem like this or similar? How did you come out of it? Does someone have some useful and positive advice? If I had deliberately overstayed or something then I would pay up but I honestly did not know about registration and my director knew, but kept it from me.
Would the Labor Relation Commission be of help in this situation?
Needless to say the director would not pay for the photographs, the application fee or the Kwon 200,000 fine. This man is a lay-pastor, which amazes me.
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Wondering



Joined: 23 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never been able to get through the immigration booth at the airport without being told about it, almost always given a card with info regarding it, and seeing a sign posted about it. Surprised that you did. Shocked
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to be positive and say that it is all your directors fault .. but in this case I don't think it is. From the reading that I did before and in the process of applying for my visa to work here I knew that registering when I arrived in Korea was required within 90 days ... I learnt it in more than one place ... including the Korean immigration website when I was in the process of applying for the visa ... That was simply one of the basic things that was part of the deal with working here ... And not something that was obscure or hidden ... Some things here are our employers responsibility and some are ours ... I am sorry but I see knowing that this needs to happen is not just something that can be passed off as my employer didn't tell me ... It is something that we have to do ourselves ... While our employers may (as mine did) help me to do it ... which with my lack of Korean made it easier ... It is our responsibility to do it ... and there are consequences for us if we don't do it. It is a hard lesson to learn ... but I know that it won't happen to you again ...

Icicle
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icekool



Joined: 19 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject: Positive replies please. Reply with quote

Thanks Icicle. If registration is so prevalently broadcast, why did I not observe it - anywhere? Like on the visa, would be an ideal location, rather than on an obscure web site.
Yes, after the fact I saw it on the Korean Immigration web site.
So my director is what.....
This is a man, who has 'operated' a school, employing foreigners for 10 years and he did not have the forethought to inform me of this little 'trick'. One would of thought that in ten years, one of his teachers might have held an ARC? Those who may have stayed 90 days - that is.
Do you have any positive comments, which may ameliorate this difficult situation?
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay the fine. Suck it up. It could be worse. Remember this lesson next time something happens that you weren't aware of.

KPRROK
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to have to pay it. Your skinflint of a director won't. Just make sure to work 200,000 won not as hard as you should.

I think the posters on this board are being overly harsh. My first job here, I was the only foreigner, and I had a hard time meeting others in the area. In this case, it's hard to learn anything about living here. It was the director's fault for not letting him know. That's what a good employer would do.
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flint



Joined: 11 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you enter WITH a work VISA they staple a paper in your pasport saying, in English, that you have 90 days to get your ARC. It is pretty hard to miss.
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flint wrote:
When you enter WITH a work VISA they staple a paper in your pasport saying, in English, that you have 90 days to get your ARC. It is pretty hard to miss.


This specific thing didn't happen to me ... but I was told this when I collected my passport and visa from the consulate in Sydney ... and when I went through immigration on my way here ... My recruiter also mentioned it ... and almost everything that I read about the E2 visa ... or visas in general on the Internet and on paper ... said that if you were staying in Korea for more than 90 days you had to register with immigration. It was not just on some obscure website ... It was as another poster has said all over the place ... But it is also true that when I knew I was coming to Korea I did read everything I could find on the Internet about Korea ... as an insatiable researcher ... And I know that not everyone is like me ...

I do believe you when you say that you really didn't know ... But I also know that you really don't have a choice about paying the fine. It was imposed because you (not your director) did not do something that you had to do. As has been said many times on this list a similar fine exists for overstaying the visa ... It is alo a good demonstration of why you need to research the conditions of any visa that you get to anywhere so that you know what you can or can't do while on the visa ...or what you must do ... to save any problems later ...

I really would love to give you a solution to this ... but the only solution now is to pay the fine ... Unfortunately "not knowing" or "my director didn't tell me" is not an acceptable defence in this.

Icicle
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RedRob



Joined: 07 Jul 2003
Location: Narnia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not all bad news, the same thing happened to us, but I came across a flexible immi guy and we haggeled! Got it down to 100k each witha lot of "gee I'm silly, sorry 'bout that, didn't know, won't happen again grovelling"
Have a go, remember : nothing is absolute in this place!
Luck!
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've entered Korea twice, both times with my E2 visa already in my passport. I don't think I was ever told at the embassy in London, or on arrival at ICN that I needed to register within 90 days. However, I was aware that I had to get it through my own research.
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wondering wrote:
I have never been able to get through the immigration booth at the airport without being told about it, almost always given a card with info regarding it, and seeing a sign posted about it. Surprised that you did. Shocked


Immigration gave me nothing when I entered the country.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry you weren't well-educated about the rules for living in Korea upon your arrival. Maybe your employer will hold your hand in the future. But now at least there's one thing you know that you have learned through experience.
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chinook



Joined: 17 Mar 2004
Location: canada

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't recall ever hearing about it in the airport on my way in, but the other teachers and my employers have always made a point of it. Other teachers have kindly offered to take me both times to find it, and I have taken others. I am surprised you didn't notice other foreigners with it - I always have mine in Seoul in case anyone asks for ID (I've been asked by MPs once or twice) and it is handy at the beginning in case you get lost - the cab driver can get you close to home generally by using the address.

But the fee and the photos were certainly never paid for by my boss.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my school paid for them
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
my school paid for them


Your are lucky ... I had to pay for mine ... and I am think that in general it is the teacher rather than the school who pays for these ... and the costs involved in getting the visa itself (But if a visa run is required travel/accommodation are usually paid by the employer... with other things paid by the teacher)..


Icicle
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