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passport220

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Gatsby
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kimchi story

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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In a corner of the Bistro Boheme in Stockholm...
Local: I don't see why you say the next Fast and Furious couldn't possibly be Stockholm Drift.
Tourist: Volvo's can't drift, fool, they're phukkin' tanks! THAT'S the joke! Meh...whatever, Volvo's made by Ford now anyway...
Local: You want tanks!? You want TANKS!?
And what follows is this. |
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flummuxt

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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You want tanks?
Then check out Frank and the Tank:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cE5z7WxLuVI
Say, did you know there used to be a series on television about Korea?
No kidding!
How come it's not on cable here? |
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swetepete

Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Location: a limp little burg
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Good question...maybe because it's really about Americans, and there's practically no Koreans in it?
Been a while sine I watched it, but I loved that show when I was a kid. The only Koreans on it I can remember are 1) an ajumma (Polly?) who ran a bar (the Kettle?), 2) a laundry boy (Short-round?), and 3) actually there is no 3.
And I think they made about 500 episodes of that show without ever once mentioning kimchi or soju. Maybe that's why they don't like it here: it portrays 1950s Korea as a backdrop, populated solely by a bunch of kindly, traumatized peasants, incapable of doing anything for themselves, and more useful as a generic proxy for the Vietnamese peasants that the show's audience was really thinking about, but was not ready to see on a comedy show.
Maybe there was more 'Korean' in it than that, but if so, it failed to make an impression on my young mind.
As an essentially unrelated side note, I do wonder what the Germans think of 'Hogan's Heroes...' |
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kimchi story

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Dang, swetepete, I hadn't figured the Vietnam connection - that's absolutely the case. I thought I had a coupla seasons but it ended up being the original movie - which centers around the curing of Painless's 'latent homosexuality'. Between the original movie and the series that followed, there's a graduate thesis waiting to happen. |
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swetepete

Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Location: a limp little burg
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| The movie's great. I saw it for the first time a few years ago...the Trapper John/ Hawkeye tandom in it is vicious, eh? And that's got to be Duvall's best role, I'd say. |
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kimchi story

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, and it's my favorite Sutherland, too. I think he's pretty cool all around, but as Hawkeye he puts the ice in the potbingsu - very cool. |
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flummuxt

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I remember there was a teenage Korean boy on the show who was a sort of medical assistant. I think they were helping him in a sort of pre-med way. I'm not sure though.
What I do remember clearly is that he was due to be drafted. So they said, no problem, and hyped him up on some drugs to raise his blood pressure, etc. From all the stuff, he was pretty out of it. Then they drove him into town, dropped him at the place for his induction physical, and said they would be back to pick him up.
But the Korean doctors were wise to all the standard tricks, and saw right through the kid -- perhaps they also knew of his American military connection. At any rate, he was drafted. His American buddies were pretty broken up to see him go.
It's been a while since I saw the television show. It would be interesting seeing it now, with first-hand knowledge of Korea, though this experience is of limited value, given how much the country has changed.
If anyone sees the movie or tv DVDs available here, please post it!
I don't think the show or movie was derogatory to Korea; it was too busy being derogatory toward Americans. And yes, I think Korea was a surrogate for Vietnam. No way a comedy about Vietnam could have been made at that time. And I suspect the shenanegans by the doctors in MASH would not have been allowed in the Korea War, but might have in Vietnam.
BTW, if you want to learn more about America's role in the Korean War, here is a speech from April 11, 1951 by Harry Truman on the subject:
http://webstorage4.mcpa.virginia.edu/hst/audiovisual/speeches/spe_1951_0411_truman.mp3
or: http://millercenter.virginia.edu/scripps/digitalarchive/speechDetail/25
Sorry, no video on the whole speech. But there is this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i0tAvIed9ko
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-FfdsHP1UWU
MacArthur supposedly expected to be begged to run for president. Eisenhower got that honor, instead.
While not about Korea, this speech by Truman is pretty interesting:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lJeFlB1Q8EA&mode=related&search= |
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kimchi story

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| flummuxt wrote: |
What I do remember clearly is that he was due to be drafted. So they said, no problem, and hyped him up on some drugs to raise his blood pressure, etc. From all the stuff, he was pretty out of it. Then they drove him into town, dropped him at the place for his induction physical, and said they would be back to pick him up.
But the Korean doctors were wise to all the standard tricks, and saw right through the kid -- perhaps they also knew of his American military connection. At any rate, he was drafted. His American buddies were pretty broken up to see him go. |
That was the movie. I don't think anyone's saying the show or the movie was derogatory, except in the postcolonial theorist sense of the word. |
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flummuxt

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wylies99

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passport220

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| swetepete wrote: |
| And I think they made about 500 episodes of that show without ever once mentioning kimchi or soju. Maybe that's why they don't like it here: it portrays 1950s Korea as a backdrop� |
While I agree with the theory that Korea was used primarily as a backdrop there were shows that did include Korean characters to a greater degree than you remember.
| swetepete wrote: |
| And I think they made about 500 episodes of that show without ever once mentioning kimchi or soju. |
Kimchi was featured in one show. An older Korean man was burring a large ceramic kimchi pot in the ground for fermentation and the skittish character Frank thought the man was burring a bomb to blow up the camp. It gets sorted out and as usual the character Frank is confirmed to be a fool. |
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paquebot
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of drifting in Sweden, you should see how female residents parallel park in Stockholm. None of this backing-up nonsense that you see in North America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlcq6HBTiqw
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In a corner of the Bistro Boheme in Stockholm...
Local: I don't see why you say the next Fast and Furious couldn't possibly be Stockholm Drift.
Tourist: Volvo's can't drift, fool, they're phukkin' tanks! THAT'S the joke! Meh...whatever, Volvo's made by Ford now anyway...
Local: You want tanks!? You want TANKS!?
And what follows is this. |
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robot

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