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Christian Bale - Extreme Dedication or a Little Nuts?
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venus



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It�s sad C.B. puts in all the technical effort but is not a very talented actor nor does he have much charisma on screen.

Best role was American Psycho as art reflected life in that he played a man with only a surface persona.

He is to Di Niro what that spammy Korean ham nonsence (I mean why do they bother? Five hundred diffent brands of 5% meat spam in the cooler but not one company makes real ham - GAH! GAH! And as for Korean �Sausage� - it�s the same spam shite modelled into the shape of a sausage.... Frugh...! Why don�t Koreans like real ham? I don�t get it! They love pork, so why not ham? Perhaps they want to save absolutely every ounce of every pig for samguipsal...?) is to real ham.

Just my opinion.
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swetepete



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree, and contend that he does indeed have range as an actor.

Certainly his bread and butter has been popcorn action flicks, like the 'Dragonfart' one, and (the much better, but still silly) 'Equilibrium,' and, indeed, 'Batman Begins.' But he's never bad in them; he does, in a way, elevate what is otherwise pretty low-grade ore.

Meanwhile, he does stuff like 'the Machinist,' and 'Harsh Times,' where despite a general lack of commercial success or critical respect, he becomes, each time, a very different character. Most Hollywood stars don't do that; when was the last time anyone saw an Al Pacino movie, or a DeNiro, where you could forget for even a tiny second that you were looking at a famous movie star?

If there is, in Bale, a shallowness, a certain insipidness of face and mannerism, that I think lends itself to great acting. To become the character, one needs to lose one's own characteristics; with the big name actors, all too often they are unable or unwilling to do that. And, sadly, they are not expected--or even permitted--to do so. It's the big names that put asses in the seats.

Sometimes, though, you get guys like Damon, Clooney, Bale, or Norton, who actually do take less glamorous roles, and put on weight or beards or ugly glasses, because they are--IMHO--actors before they are celebrities. Kenneth Brannaugh is one like that as well. But Nicholson? Ford? Cruise? Never. They're not bad actors, but they've lost their ability to really change for each role.

It'll likely happen to Bale as well, but, hopefully, not yet.
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Toon Army



Joined: 12 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eddie1983man wrote:
hes an amazing actor. Remember him from Tears of the Sun when he was a little boy?


you mean Empire Of The Sun? Awesome movie
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genezorm



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Mokpo

PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swetepete wrote:
Meanwhile, he does stuff like 'the Machinist,' and 'Harsh Times,' where despite a general lack of commercial success or critical respect, he becomes, each time, a very different character. Most Hollywood stars don't do that; when was the last time anyone saw an Al Pacino movie, or a DeNiro, where you could forget for even a tiny second that you were looking at a famous movie star?


check out any movie with ryan gosling
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just saw "The Machinist". I thought that Bale was heroic in his dedication to the roll and considering the complexity of the character, I thought he did alright.

He was certainly withdrawn, sympathetic and tormented but let flashes of his former peaceful, suave, confident self shine through at times. All in all it was a good movie...a 7.5/10 for me.

He doesn't command the screen like some actors, but he has a subtlety that is strangely underwhelming. Unique, certainly.
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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
I just saw "The Machinist". I thought that Bale was heroic in his dedication to the roll and considering the complexity of the character, I thought he did alright.

He was certainly withdrawn, sympathetic and tormented but let flashes of his former peaceful, suave, confident self shine through at times. All in all it was a good movie...a 7.5/10 for me.

He doesn't command the screen like some actors, but he has a subtlety that is strangely underwhelming. Unique, certainly.

Yea, but I think it's a good thing that he doesn't command the screen like a lot of the bigger stars do. It gives him a lot more room to do a lot of the lower key stuff that he seems to enjoy. I do question his deication to a certain extent. The Machinist wasn't a bad movie but it wasn't a payday worth becoming a walking skeleton over. If you're going to take a huge health risk, then it had better be worth it.
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doogie wrote:
...but it wasn't a payday worth becoming a walking skeleton over. If you're going to take a huge health risk, then it had better be worth it.


I can't understand this at all. I mean, for an artist, every undertaking will be in the artists name and done for the love of the craft. At least, one can assume that Bale had such thoughts. The movie was no 'instant classic', but it does solidify him as a hard working, dedicated actor, regardless of how award-worthy the script may be.

I see the same kind of dedication to smaller, less grand-scale, Hollywood movies from Johnny Depp. Not that he ever starved himself, and yes,, he is big these days, but there was a time when he was committed to indie films, or at least the 'art' they offered him to create. (The Brave)

I guess what I am trying to say is that Bale going as far as he did showed his dedication that may lead him to greater scripts. I also don't believe his thinning was strictly for his portfolio, but also to enhance the character's torment in the film.

It would have been hard to pull off if he looked like he did in Batman; he would have looked like a fool and furthermore, it would have put a lot of dependence upon a very honed acting ability he perhaps doesn't possess. His torment (and acting) was as much or more physical as mental.

Anyhow, a good theme; guilt, repentance and peace.
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