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europe2seoul



Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tesseract wrote:
Aaaaahhhhhhh!!!! Okay! I won't ask again!


You know - I kind of stayed away from the thread, because we were entering the pattern of wars between 2 camps, and nobody can be a winner.

I suggest you get something that is good on your wallet.
If you are using WIndows, make sure your computer is updated and that you are running firewall and anti-virus software and anti-spyware software. Many are available and even free, but investing $50 or something is OK. Turn on automatic updates and windows firewall and have XP Service Pack 2.

Also since you are going to use it in Korea, some interactive maps (like Seoul bus map on english.seoul.go.kr) and some other websites won't work on Mac because they use ActiveX controls. However, you can dual boot or run Parallels Virtual machine to have windows as an application, anyway....it has nothing to do with OS or hardware, but web designers in Korea do not consider other platforms (PC running Linux is a PC but won't display them either).

Lastly, consider what will you actually use the computer for. If it is web browsing, email and writing something, playing some music and some downloaded video then you can go either way. Actually you can buy those entry-level notebooks and be-all set. If you are more into tech and stuff, then I guess you wouldn't ask this quesiton Smile All-in-all, whatever you buy probably you won't have problems on a daily basis....no matter Mac or Windows we all have problems sometimes with computers, as with any device.

It would be better if you can wait so you get Vista for free when it gets out or Leopard if you take Mac. But....
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AbbeFaria



Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Mac vs. PC Reply with quote

tesseract wrote:
I am shopping for laptops and I will probably either go with a Dell notebook or a Mac. I've heard that Macs are much better for speed and easier to use, but I've never owned one, so I'm not sure if I would be happy with it. Also, will I have an easier time finding accessories and software for a pc versus a Mac?


I'm not going to do the he said/she said, I'll just tell you a bit of my experiences with Macs in general and using them in Korea. Maybe you'll find it useful or maybe you're already too scared to come back to your thread.

I just plunked down the cash and got a 13 in MacBook and so far it's worked almost flawlessly. I transfered all my system files from my Power PC Mac Mini and two third-party apps that I don't think were written for the Intel processors caused me a bit of grief, but it was just a matter of finding the offending app and deleting it. They weren't so much as apps as add-ons to existing apps.

I'm a long time mac user, so for my money, it's Mac all the way. I had system freezes running OS 8 and 9 but never one on OSX up until yesterday when I ran in to those aforementioned programs. Even then it wasn't a total system freeze, but I restarted anyway because the programs wouldn't quit.

I ran in to some problems with setting up my internet service in Korea. Mainly in that there was some problem with the modem and the tech guys would just look at the Mac, assume that was the problem and not bother to find the real source. Took 2 months until I finally got one to sit down and listen to me (via my boss, translating over the phone.)

Using wi-fi is so easy on here, it's kind of silly. I don't know what you have to do on a PC, honestly, but on this one, I pick up a network signal, select it, enter the password if needed, and I'm off and running. I was online at my sister's place in the amount of time it took me to type in her huge password.

I've never really bothered with Korean websites because my Korean is just not that good. If you don't speak it, you won't use them either. I've pulled them up from time to time, usually checking out a cyworld page that's sent to me via a friend, or going to the local movie theater's website to check times, but it's worked fine. I can't say you'll get that everywhere though. This ActiveX thing or whatever seems to be going against you. MS stopped making IE for Mac with version 5 when Apple made it's own browser, Safari.

I have always found Macs easier to use. Windows always seemed like they change things up from version to version. At one job I had, I would need to go from using Win 95 to Win 97 or whichever ones they were, I can't rightly remember now, and several things were different to the point of just being stupid. Change for the sake of change. I had to relearn many of the things I figured out on one because it didn't apply to the other. Barring a few cosmetic changes, OS X has been amazingly cosistant with it's featues. I can use OS 10.1 and then hop right over to OS 10.4.8 and things are much the way I left them. Even from OS9 to X they were still so similar in design that I figured nearly everything out without ever picking up a manual. Within the first couple of days I was completely at home in the new OS environment.

About my Macbook, I've only got a few complaints. More USB ports would be good, but I've already got a hub, so that's no big deal. Also, I don't know if it's the fault of Yahoo or Mac, but the iSight camera doesn't seem to work well with Mac's new version of Yahoo. It works beautifully with iSight. Good quality picture and motion so close to real time you have to really be looking to see the lag. Where as, when I started it up in Yahoo, it was only displaying a frame every couple of seconds. Very jerky and looked to have a much smaller video than iChat allows. (if anyone has any tips on how to get this rolling better, lemme know. Most people I know are on Yahoo, not iChat.)

Regarding overheating, in this months Macworld, they ran a small article about this very thing. Apparently because Intel chips draw less power, they don't get as hot. The 2.0 gHz Macbook Pro peaked at 95.4 F near the battery and 101.5 above the keyboard. When using it in bed yesterday, the cover had moved up and was blocking the ventilation in the back and it stated heating up really fast.

My advice is to get a Mac. If you want, you can get Windows and boot it simultaneously. Apparently in the latest verson of Parallels you can boot them and run them together, switching OS's like you'd switch apps. But I've always found them to be extremely reliable. So much so that 7 years after I bought my first iMac, a 2nd or 3rd Gen one, Orange, it worked almost as well as when I bought it. Lost the harddrive in the second year and had to replace it, but that was pretty much the only real hiccup. Coule you have problems with it? Sure, absolutely, nothing is perfect. But the same can be said of Dell. Only with my experience with Dells and Windows, you just expect it. When a Mac screws up, it' such a rare occurrance that we're shocked into utter disbelief. Wink

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Letiz7



Joined: 29 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocklee wrote:


Leopard will still be OSX with a few extra features and a bunch of updates on existing ones. The problem is that you still have to pay $130 bucks nearly every year to upgrade With Vista you get the upgrades for free (via downloads).


Er, you're insane! XP was around for five years and is fukcing shite. Vista appears to be merely a bit prettier.

My Macbook is rock solid; no problems after 8 months of continual use.

No viruses, no need to worry. Free updates from Apple via download.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
If you're interested in joining a cult - Macs are for you.

kidding aside. Korea is not exactly Mac friendly. How many places sell Macintosh peripherals and/or software?


You simply buy them online. That is what I do in the States, with three Apple stores within driving distance.

The real problem with macs in Korea is the lack of technical assistance, especially in English. Then again, my bug free mac doesn't need much work.

I have always used PCs in Korea in the past, but I have this nice new little MacBook, and I won't leave home without it!
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trubadour



Joined: 03 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for what its worth - I've had a mac for a few months. Like its ok. mostly does the job of surfing and editing and podcasting and stuff. The main issues for macs is not the ease of use - they are easy, but the lack of customization available. Not only are there fewer programs which are written for Mac, but the OS is also fundamentally less flexible.

Whereas with windows (or even ubuntu) you get to choose which programs will open on what occasion, Mac OS X is less flexible. It feels kinda hard-wired to use the applications that come with it (the ilife suite). So one major issue was having to use itunes - which I hated. If you don't want itunes, you can delete it, but you are always having to work your way around it, and the computer doesn't seem able to accept the fact its gone. Now I've got used to it and use it for playing podcasts and ripping music. Yet, it won't rip FLAC, or play it. So I use VLC to play music and movies. I installed ubuntu to rip FLAC.

Another weird thing is the built in firmware that comes with the DVD drive. It is limited to set regions. And you only get 5 opportunities to change the region setting before it will LOCK. So, if you've got DVD's from the video shop and DVD's from home and some from china... you have to work your way around quicktime (not difficult). It's a weird thing to do, and actually encourages you to rip DVD's or download them 'cos its can be the only way to watch them. There is no hack available for the drive, and there won't be for a very long time.

I've used parallels to run ubuntu and windows, which has been quite useful. It has recognized all the USB things I've plugged into it (i use a hub). When you do use the bundled software, everything goes swimmingly. Some of the programs are cool and have nice features. One thing I've noticed about mac's is that they are a very visual experience. You move your mouse to a predefined corner and all the windows zoom out so you can see what's going on and choose the next window to view. This becomes quite intuitive, although it is actually slightly more fiddly to use than the windows way. Somethings are just weird - like installing programs, a process which is visual beyond all reason, IMO.

In sum I'd recommend a Mac if you've money to try it and don't have any specific needs for particular programs. However, just a quick look out there shows you can get way more for your money elsewhere, and it'll be customizable to your specific desires.
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MacOS is essentially Unix, and it is far more flexible than Windows. You can get a command line if you like.

The problem is that you haven't learned how to customize the OS.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it has nothing to do with OS or hardware, but web designers in Korea do not consider other platforms (PC running Linux is a PC but won't display them either).


It will running the hacked IE 6 under Wine in Linux.

The interactive maps work fine.
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trubadour



Joined: 03 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luvnpeas wrote:
The MacOS is essentially Unix, and it is far more flexible than Windows. You can get a command line if you like.

The problem is that you haven't learned how to customize the OS.


how can one set a default player (e.g. VLC) for all media files?
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can set the application for a particular file type via the Get Info... command. Select a file of the target type, and type CMD-I or choose "Get Info" from the File Menu. You'll see an "Open with..." option. Choose the desired application, and, if you wish, the Change All option.

You can also specify which media types open with Quicktime via the Quicktime option under System Preferences ... (choose MIME types).
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trubadour



Joined: 03 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for that - i'd done that before but...
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am already aware of the problems I will encounter trying to peacefully co-exist with systems in Korea, and am planning to get another, inexpensive, P.C. for home use to complement my MacBook.
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luvnpeas



Joined: 03 Aug 2006
Location: somewhere i have never travelled

PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, you can probably avoid the DVD-region problem by setting VLC to automatically launch when a DVD is inserted. I doubt VLC keeps track of region changes. Do that in the "Hardware" pane of System Preferences...

The limit of 5 region changes is a DVD-industry plot, not an Apple fetish. I think you're right that the drives Apple uses aren't flashable. If it is really important to have a region-free, hardware-based DVD player, you probably have to swap in a new drive.
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trubadour



Joined: 03 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
I am already aware of the problems I will encounter trying to peacefully co-exist with systems in Korea, and am planning to get another, inexpensive, P.C. for home use to complement my MacBook.



just use parallels
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly.
I have an intel iMac. I found a torrent for Winblows (an unchecked version), and I can run all the applications i want.

FYI: If you want to install windows, first download and install "Boot Camp".
Boot Camp is freeware and will guide you in partitioning your hard drive.
Then you install Winblows.

Don't forget to IMMEDIATELY install AVG anti-virus once you get Winblows running.

Desultude: If you need any help/directions, PM me.
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reactionary



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'd have to agree to go with a pc for a low cost piece of junk. i bought my laptop two years ago for 500(special dell sale), and after 8 months spent about $140 in repairs. That's still a lot less than a mac and I figure as long as it lives for another year at least, it's paid for itself.

macs have less problems, but they do have problems eventually - my workplace in university was all mac and boy did they run into problems, even just being used for typical office stuff, no gaming or downloading or anything like that.

not sure if that initial high cost makes up for the benefits.
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