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spyro25
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 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: Good-bye TOEIC / TOEFL! |
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just saw tonights news. a new system to be introduced in 2009. with speaking and writing elements, the demand for foriegn teachers is going to be even higher than it is now. all i can say is......
AWESOME!! |
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mehamrick
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Good-bye TOEIC / TOEFL! |
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| spyro25 wrote: |
just saw tonights news. a new system to be introduced in 2009. with speaking and writing elements, the demand for foriegn teachers is going to be even higher than it is now. all i can say is......
AWESOME!! |
Well I know TOEFL already has speaking and writing elements. And I am pretty sure TOEIC was supposed to start that either last year or this year? I dont think it will change much though.. |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Of course, it would be better if those foreign teachers actually knew somthing about teaching speaking and writing. Being a native speaker doesn't qualify you for that. Not that it will stop the madness here. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Woland wrote: |
| Of course, it would be better if those foreign teachers actually knew somthing about teaching speaking and writing. Being a native speaker doesn't qualify you for that. Not that it will stop the madness here. |
Moreover, introducing a new test from which to assess one's English ability doesn't necessarily mean the test will be accepted internationally.
OP, you have to realize that the TOEIC & TOEFL are internationally respected and used in over 6,000 professional establishments. A test cannot merely 'pop-up' and be considered valid nor can or will it be expected to pass the TOEIC & TOEFL in terms of reliability. A battery of tests, validity scores, and assessments need to be made on this test by professionals in the field of assessments before it can be considered weight worthy.
Just my 2 bits....  |
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Snowkr
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree with the post above. I also agree with the comment about being a native speaker not automatically qualifying someone to teach TOEFL... or to teach at all...
In fact, I kind of wonder how many teachers there are in Korea teaching these test prep courses who actually know what they're doing. Even teachers here in the states who teach TOEFL classes are not always qualified to be doing it. |
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spyro25
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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of course all of your opinions are valid, my expression of delight in my post comes from the fact that IN KOREA, a move towards the main standardized test having a spoken element once more puts the foriegn teacher in a high position when it comes to the millions of koreans who need will need to improve their speaking skills if they have to take the test. those foriegners on f-2's (as i should be next year) should be raking it in as queues of korean job hopefuls need test prep courses. no more will you get koreans quitting your adult classes because they have to study TOIEC - any foriegn teacher teaching adults is going to be in high demand (if they have the right skills), and can probably charge through the roof to do so.
as for the native speaker being able to teach comments - i'm not sure if you were talking about me, as i am have a BA in english, an MA in TESOL (graduating next year at least), a TESOL cert, and am about to take the IELTS examiner licensing exam from september. my comments don't apply to the average joe hagwon monkey straight off the boat, but for those of us in the know or who are going to be in Korea for a long time, this can only be good news! |
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spyro25
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| A battery of tests, validity scores, and assessments need to be made on this test by professionals in the field of assessments before it can be considered weight worthy. |
you are missing the point. weight worthy outside korea, probably not, but if this test becomes the standard english test to get into the big companies in korea (samsung, hyundae, doosan etc.) then it is worth its weight in gold in korea! |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| spyro25 wrote: |
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| A battery of tests, validity scores, and assessments need to be made on this test by professionals in the field of assessments before it can be considered weight worthy. |
you are missing the point. weight worthy outside korea, probably not, but if this test becomes the standard english test to get into the big companies in korea (samsung, hyundae, doosan etc.) then it is worth its weight in gold in korea! |
agreed. |
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Slaps
Joined: 22 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| Please tell me that you guys have heard about IELTS?? |
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mehamrick
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Please tell me that you guys have heard about IELTS?? |
Yes but Korea is way too entrenched into TOEIC and TOEFL to go to ILETS. you would be talking about a radical complete change in Korea and I don't see that happening anytime soon. Not with the track record Korea has. |
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Slaps
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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But if IELTS is the system used by overseas (non-Korean) universities then they will have to change.
I'm doing a CELTA at the moment and I have been told that they are phasing out TOEFL infavour of IELTS as IELTS provides the writing,reading and listening skills that are needed.
Many Koreans that I have met (in England) have come here to learn English before they go back to Korea to study for IELTS. |
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mehamrick
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Slaps wrote: |
But if IELTS is the system used by overseas (non-Korean) universities then they will have to change.
I'm doing a CELTA at the moment and I have been told that they are phasing out TOEFL infavour of IELTS as IELTS provides the writing,reading and listening skills that are needed.
Many Koreans that I have met (in England) have come here to learn English before they go back to Korea to study for IELTS. |
I know in the States that they use TOEFL for university entrance.. Unless this is changing I am not sure about that. I do know TOEFL just upgraded to the IBT it has the required speaking and writing in it. I also know they have had lots of problems with it here in Korea as well. So who knows what the hell they will go to.. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Woland wrote: |
| Of course, it would be better if those foreign teachers actually knew something about teaching speaking and writing. Being a native speaker doesn't qualify you for that. Not that it will stop the madness here. |
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T-dot
Joined: 16 May 2004
Location: bundang
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: |
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TOEFL is one of the better tests out there. The route that 1 has to go about getting a seat is a different story. Im pretty sure the OP is talking about TEPS ( I hope he isnt). My take; the government wants to support the use of TEPS because its
a) made by Seoul University
b) keeps the money in Korea
c) the korean gov't most likely is getting a piece of the action (bribery... cough ...cough.... bribery) |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Woland wrote: |
| Of course, it would be better if those foreign teachers actually knew somthing about teaching speaking and writing. Being a native speaker doesn't qualify you for that. Not that it will stop the madness here. |
Well, someone will have to. The first to be hit will be Korean teachers who teach advanced grammar to high school students and adults at private academies. Then, if the new iBT testing has any effect on the structure of the CSAT and other university entrance tests, many Korean high school teachers will be feeling very overwhelmed. It's possible to hide behind a large vocabulary and ability to explain paragraphs one's had hours to study before class; written work exposes all of one's faults and shortcomings, and in a class of 30 academic HS students there's likely to be at least one student who can write better than the averate KET.
So let's hope that there are at least some teachers, foreign or Korean, in the system who are up for the task of preparing students for a test that actually measures students' ability to communicate in English. |
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