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Good-bye TOEIC / TOEFL!
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spyro25



Joined: 23 Nov 2004
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Good-bye TOEIC / TOEFL! Reply with quote
just saw tonights news. a new system to be introduced in 2009. with speaking and writing elements, the demand for foriegn teachers is going to be even higher than it is now. all i can say is......

AWESOME!!
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mehamrick



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Good-bye TOEIC / TOEFL! Reply with quote
spyro25 wrote:
just saw tonights news. a new system to be introduced in 2009. with speaking and writing elements, the demand for foriegn teachers is going to be even higher than it is now. all i can say is......

AWESOME!!


Well I know TOEFL already has speaking and writing elements. And I am pretty sure TOEIC was supposed to start that either last year or this year? I dont think it will change much though..
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Of course, it would be better if those foreign teachers actually knew somthing about teaching speaking and writing. Being a native speaker doesn't qualify you for that. Not that it will stop the madness here.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Woland wrote:
Of course, it would be better if those foreign teachers actually knew somthing about teaching speaking and writing. Being a native speaker doesn't qualify you for that. Not that it will stop the madness here.


Moreover, introducing a new test from which to assess one's English ability doesn't necessarily mean the test will be accepted internationally.

OP, you have to realize that the TOEIC & TOEFL are internationally respected and used in over 6,000 professional establishments. A test cannot merely 'pop-up' and be considered valid nor can or will it be expected to pass the TOEIC & TOEFL in terms of reliability. A battery of tests, validity scores, and assessments need to be made on this test by professionals in the field of assessments before it can be considered weight worthy.

Just my 2 bits.... Wink
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Snowkr



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I totally agree with the post above. I also agree with the comment about being a native speaker not automatically qualifying someone to teach TOEFL... or to teach at all...

In fact, I kind of wonder how many teachers there are in Korea teaching these test prep courses who actually know what they're doing. Even teachers here in the states who teach TOEFL classes are not always qualified to be doing it.
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spyro25



Joined: 23 Nov 2004
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
of course all of your opinions are valid, my expression of delight in my post comes from the fact that IN KOREA, a move towards the main standardized test having a spoken element once more puts the foriegn teacher in a high position when it comes to the millions of koreans who need will need to improve their speaking skills if they have to take the test. those foriegners on f-2's (as i should be next year) should be raking it in as queues of korean job hopefuls need test prep courses. no more will you get koreans quitting your adult classes because they have to study TOIEC - any foriegn teacher teaching adults is going to be in high demand (if they have the right skills), and can probably charge through the roof to do so.

as for the native speaker being able to teach comments - i'm not sure if you were talking about me, as i am have a BA in english, an MA in TESOL (graduating next year at least), a TESOL cert, and am about to take the IELTS examiner licensing exam from september. my comments don't apply to the average joe hagwon monkey straight off the boat, but for those of us in the know or who are going to be in Korea for a long time, this can only be good news!
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spyro25



Joined: 23 Nov 2004
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A battery of tests, validity scores, and assessments need to be made on this test by professionals in the field of assessments before it can be considered weight worthy.


you are missing the point. weight worthy outside korea, probably not, but if this test becomes the standard english test to get into the big companies in korea (samsung, hyundae, doosan etc.) then it is worth its weight in gold in korea!
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
spyro25 wrote:
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A battery of tests, validity scores, and assessments need to be made on this test by professionals in the field of assessments before it can be considered weight worthy.


you are missing the point. weight worthy outside korea, probably not, but if this test becomes the standard english test to get into the big companies in korea (samsung, hyundae, doosan etc.) then it is worth its weight in gold in korea!


agreed.
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Slaps



Joined: 22 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please tell me that you guys have heard about IELTS??
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mehamrick



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Slaps wrote:
Please tell me that you guys have heard about IELTS??


Yes but Korea is way too entrenched into TOEIC and TOEFL to go to ILETS. you would be talking about a radical complete change in Korea and I don't see that happening anytime soon. Not with the track record Korea has.
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Slaps



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
But if IELTS is the system used by overseas (non-Korean) universities then they will have to change.

I'm doing a CELTA at the moment and I have been told that they are phasing out TOEFL infavour of IELTS as IELTS provides the writing,reading and listening skills that are needed.

Many Koreans that I have met (in England) have come here to learn English before they go back to Korea to study for IELTS.