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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: Is he amazing or what? |
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Barry Bonds.
So what the heck is going on with this? C'mon really ! His head has doubled in size the last 4 years, for Pete's sake! I'll be pretty fed up if he gets handed the home run record.
Well perhaps he is the best ball player of at least "our" generation and steroids does not help hand eye control or most other skills used in baseball, MAYBE power but he was always a 5 tool player and HOFer, unlike that jerk/wannabe Sosa (talk about head size growing!!). The bottom line is cheating is cheating...
What do you guys think? |
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Alyallen
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Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hammerin' Hank is steering clear of Bond's eventual ascencion to the crown.
Giambi fesses up and says something semi-intelligent and honest about steroid use and how the organization needs to apologize and really take a hard look at the situation and what does he get? He gets a gag-order slapped on him.
I think the only people really rootin' for Bonds are Giants fans and even that statement is a bit iffy in my book.
But hey....steroids weren't illegal in baseball until what '02 or something so it's not fair to go on a witchhunt but as you pointed out Bond's head became MASSIVE! What other possible reason could there be for him to have a swollen head but still be able to perform his job??
I like baseball but they are really making it into a great big joke.... |
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blynch
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
But hey....steroids weren't illegal in baseball until what '02 or something so it's not fair to go on a witchhunt but as you pointed out Bond's head became MASSIVE! What other possible reason could there be for him to have a swollen head but still be able to perform his job??
I like baseball but they are really making it into a great big joke.... |
The only other reason I can think of is his money? Bonds makes $20 mil a year. Anyways steroid does improve power (not maybe) plus it speeds healing and recovery from injuries as well, reducing missed days during the long baseball season. This is all known, no mysteries. Plus, look at how his HR numbers just "magically" jumped in his carreer! Again ... it's just cheating. It's more than just steroids ... HGH is in common use as well. Sosa/McGuire/Bonds can all be lumped together (among others) in this regard. |
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Alyallen
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Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| blynch wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
But hey....steroids weren't illegal in baseball until what '02 or something so it's not fair to go on a witchhunt but as you pointed out Bond's head became MASSIVE! What other possible reason could there be for him to have a swollen head but still be able to perform his job??
I like baseball but they are really making it into a great big joke.... |
The only other reason I can think of is his money? Bonds makes $20 mil a year. Anyways steroid does improve power (not maybe) plus it speeds healing and recovery from injuries as well, reducing missed days during
the long baseball season. This is all known, no mysteries. Plus, look at how his HR numbers just "magically" jumped in his carreer! Again ... it's just cheating. It's more than just steroids ... HGH is in common use as well. Sosa/McGuire/Bonds can all be lumped together (among others) in this regard. |
Yeah....I hope you aren't trying to convince me because it's basically preaching to the choir...
They can't test for HGH, so there's no point in pointing figures at something you can't prove. Roids weren't against baseball rules until '02 so baseball fans everywhere are stuck with the cloud of roid hanging over every broken record during the span of who knows how far back till '02 or whenever it was finally made illegal.
And as long as I read comments like this, I can't help but have my doubts about how sure people are about who took roids and who didn't...
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The steroid accusers base their claims largely on physical appearance. McGwire is the poster boy for this argument. Look at a young McGwire in his rookie year of 1987 and contrast that with his increased size in 1998 when he hit 70 home runs.
They fail to mention that the �scrawny� McGwire hit 49 home runs in just 151 games in 1987. He left the A's during the last weekend of that season to be with his wife for the birth of their son.
Is it so crazy to think that athletes like McGwire and Bonds could, in fact, change their bodies and increase their production over the course of a decade through workouts and legal supplements? |
http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/blitz/2004/03/media_blitz_by_3.php
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First off, is there any proof that a steroid in baseball has enhanced the record book with unfair records. At this time, no. We have to remember a couple of things before trying to point fingers, etc. Barry Bonds went on to have an unbelievable season setting a single season record of home runs that will probably never be surpassed in my mind. This happened from a guy that usually averaged around 35 homers a season. Can you explain the sudden jump in home runs? Probably not. But you can make the assumption that he has matured to the top of his game and that he had a dream season.
Now, let's look at Roger Maris. When Roger went on to hit 61 home runs from a guy that usually never hit that many. Did everyone in the world suddenly start saying there must be a steroid in baseball that he is using? Or he must be doing something to enhance his game. No they did not. They assumed that he just had a magical season that only comes around ever so often. Can we draw the same conclusions about Barry, and about Mark? Yes, we can. Could it be that they had magical seasons? Absolutely.
Until the evidence comes out, we don't know what any athlete is doing. What I do know as a former major leaguer is how difficult it is to perform at such a high level day in and day out. In my mind, whether they are doing steroids or not, you still have to hit the ball over the fence. You still have to make solid contact consistently. You still have to have great fundamentals. I think what has happened on the baseball field has been remarkable and we are lucky to be able to witness such great athletes perform daily.
Steroids in my mind take away from the game. Even though they provide a quick explosion of muscle mass and endurance, over the long run, they will harm you. They will cause psychotic events, and physical damage that will last a life time. The bottom line is simple. Play the game the way it is meant to be played. Play with honor and pride and dignity. And above all, leave steroids out of it.Using a steroid in baseball is simply not worth it. |
http://ezinearticles.com/?Baseball-and-Steroids--The-Controversy&id=12718 |
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squat toilet
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He's now one dinger away from tying Aaron.
Anyone else hoping he gets beaned, tears a vagina muscle and is forced into retirement? I'm praying to the baseball gods.
Barry can't sniff Hammerin' Hanks mildewy jock strap. |
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Richard Krainium
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Doogie
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| Yea, it's a damn shame for a great man's record to be broken this way. Hank Aaron's a class act. If Bond's had done this accomplishment "clean', Aaron would be the first guy to shake his hand. He's doing the right thing staying away.....it's a disgrace. |
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hellofaniceguy
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We all know that the chances are very good for Bonds breaking the record. He needs only 2 HR's.
And when he does break it, and he will, he will always be remembered as the person who used steroids to do it.
He, Bonds, is not even in the same league as Aaron. Aaron is a class act has history has shown. |
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Ryst Helmut
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is he amazing or what? |
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| blynch wrote: |
| His head has doubled in size the last 4 years, for Pete's sake! What do you guys think? |
Yeah...I've noticed that too....
!shoosh,
Ryst |
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SarcasmKills
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Regardless of his steroid use, Bonds is a helluva player.. always has been..
... he just got sucked into the steroid craze.. hell it secured him a few 20/mil a year contracts, so really now, he used the 'roids to his benefit..
Of course baseball purists, and most non-Giants fans, are rooting against him, but regardless of the extra power he might have gotten from the 'roids, the man has always been able to hit the ball sweeter than Jessica Alba's nipple sweat... It's no fluke that he's been so successful, not every roid case can hit the ball as well as he can..
All this being said, I hope he gets beaned in the head and it deflates on live TV. |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| I hope Barry gets it in LA-and in his retirement years, he transforms into Lyle Alzado. |
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Don Gately
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| squat toilet wrote: |
He's now one dinger away from tying Aaron.
Anyone else hoping he gets beaned, tears a vagina muscle and is forced into retirement? I'm praying to the baseball gods.
Barry can't sniff Hammerin' Hanks mildewy jock strap. |
Barroid sucks. It's a damn shame he'll be listed ahead of a class act like the Hammer. |
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squat toilet
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| SarcasmKills wrote: |
Regardless of his steroid use, Bonds is a helluva player.. always has been..
... he just got sucked into the steroid craze.. hell it secured him a few 20/mil a year contracts, so really now, he used the 'roids to his benefit..
Of course baseball purists, and most non-Giants fans, are rooting against him, but regardless of the extra power he might have gotten from the 'roids, the man has always been able to hit the ball sweeter than Jessica Alba's nipple sweat... It's no fluke that he's been so successful, not every roid case can hit the ball as well as he can..
All this being said, I hope he gets beaned in the head and it deflates on live TV. |
My contempt for Bonds has little to do with "cheating" (steroid use). One of my favorite players of all time is Ken Caminiti whom everyone knew was juicing -- but it didn't matter because of his character and hard-nosed approach to the game. The guy was all heart.
Look no further than Mr. Alex Sanchez for proof that steroids can't turn a mediocre player into a superstar. The guy hit something like 6 homeruns in his career yet was suspended for juicing. Sure, in principle 'roids speed up recovery time...but the reality is that most guys simply get too big way too fast and put an exorbitant amount of stress on their joints and ligaments . Look how often Jose Canseco, Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds were on the DL in their careers.
Nah, for me it's simply the fact that Barry is a complete knob. When he doesn't have his PR guy whispering in his ear and telling him what to say he always finds a way to trip over his feet and sh*t his panties. He is a god damn selfish moron who does nothing to inspire people or positively promote the game. Just juxtapose Bonds with, oh I don't know, maybe these guys:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlJfWS9YNfNDqzX5knIN8VL.gYl4?slug=ap-halloffame&prov=ap&type=lgns
Check out some of the quotes in this article:
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| "My dad used to say if you take care of all the little things, you'll never have a big thing to worry about," said Ripken, who spent his 21-year career in Baltimore and made his mark by playing 2,632 consecutive games to break Lou Gehrig's record of 2,130. "As the years passed, it became clear to me that kids see it all, and it's not just some of your actions that influence, it's all of them. Whether we like it or not, as big leaguers we're role models. The only question is, will it be positive or will it be negative? |
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| "We make a big deal about work ethic," he said. "We make a big deal about trying to make good decisions and doing things right, and you know what, we are supposed to. That is what they pay us for. |
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"You've got to be responsible and make decisions and show people how things are supposed to be done. When you sign your name on the dotted line, it's more than just playing the game of baseball. I think the fans felt comfortable enough in us, they could trust us and how we played the game, especially in this era of negativity." |
Gwynn and The Ironman. Those be real ballplayers and real men. |
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gotte00
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: Is he amazing or what? |
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Bondas may have juiced or maybe he didn't at all. Sure he's a helluva lot bigger now than he was 12-15 years ago. But, compare his stats with those of Aaron's. Both have similar sumbers. Bondas has 8 years of 40 or more home runs and Aaron has 7. Granted Bonds hit 73 in one of those years and Aaron never hit more than 50. Fact is if Bonds only hit 50 the year he hit 73 and stayed injury free two years ago and hit more than 5 home runs, he'd still be on pace to break the record.
Bonds has been hitting home runs his whole career. The guy is a sure fire hall of famer and deserves it. He hits for average, power, walks, knocks in runs and is a better than average outfielder. Records are meant to be broken and this will will be broken this week. |
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blaseblasphemener
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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Hank did it under 200 pounds his whole career. Au natural, baby! |
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