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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
Just curious...I know of many Canadians who go to the U.S. and work in many places. Was it easy for them to do?
Is it recipricol for Americans to do? Do they need identity cards that they are paying taxes connected to legal work visas, etc.? |
Everyone needs a work permit to work in the U.S. or Canada. Immigration to Canada by an educated American with certain skills is not so difficult. They would be able to get the points needed to immigrate. These Americans are immigrating to Canada and probably working on acquiring citizenship. I remember reading back in the 1990s of Americans moving to Europe. Certain people among the educate populace want to move to either Europe or Canada. I don't think this post is really significant, because America has 300 million people.
It may, however, lead someone to think that there is possibly some anxiety about the way things are in America these days in the minds of some people and they want to leave. What are the figures regarding people going to Europe? As the story says, more Canadians still go to America than vice versa because there is a shortage of skilled people in the U.S. in some areas and far more universities with specialties Canadian students are interested in... The U.S. has so much to offer... |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: O, Canada! More Americans Heading North |
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| Yaya wrote: |
The Number of Americans Moving to Canada in 2006 Hit a 30-Year High
By MARCUS BARAM
July 31, 2007 �
Blame Canada!
It may seem like a quiet country where not much happens besides ice hockey, curling and beer drinking. But our neighbor to the north is proving to be quite the draw for thousands of disgruntled Americans.
The number of U.S. citizens who moved to Canada last year hit a 30-year high, with a 20 percent increase over the previous year and almost double the number who moved in 2000.
In 2006, 10,942 Americans went to Canada, compared with 9,262 in 2005 and 5,828 in 2000, according to a survey by the Association for Canadian Studies.
Of course, those numbers are still outweighed by the number of Canadians going the other way. Yet, that imbalance is shrinking. Last year, 23,913 Canadians moved to the United States, a significant decrease from 29,930 in 2005.
"There has been a definite increase in the past five years, the number hasn't exceeded 10,000 since 1977," says Jack Jedwab, the association's executive director. "During the mid-70s, Canada admitted between 22,000 and 26,000 Americans a year, most of whom were draft dodgers from the Vietnam War."
The current increase appears to be fueled largely by social and political reasons, says Jedwab, based on anecdotal evidence.
"Those who are coming have the highest level of education - these aren't people who can't get a job in the States," he says. "They're coming because many of them don't like the politics, the Iraq War and the security situation in the U.S. By comparison, Canada is a tension-free place. People feel safer."
One recent immigrant is Tom Kertes, a 34-year-old labor organizer who moved from Seattle to Toronto in April.
Kertes attributes his motivation to President Bush's opposition to gay marriage, and the tactics employed during the war on terror since 9/11.
"I wanted a country that respected my human rights and the rights of others," he says. "We joked about it after Bush won re-election, but it took us a while to go through the application."
Kertes, who moved with his partner, is happy in his new home. "Canada is a really nice country. My mother is thinking about it. My stepfather has diabetes and has health issues. So, he'd be taken care of for free if he moved up here."
Not that Kertes doesn't get homesick every once in a while. "I have no intention of giving up my citizenship. I have an American flag at home on the wall - I didn't have that in Seattle. All of a sudden, I'm a nationalist. On the Fourth of July, I really missed being home."
Jo Davenport, who wrote "The Canadian Way," moved from Atlanta to Nova Scotia in December 2001. She also cites political reasons for her move, saying that she disagreed with the Bush administration's decisions after 9/11.
"Things are totally different here because they care about their people here," she says, explaining that she's only been back home once or twice.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3433005&page=1 |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course, those numbers are still outweighed by the number of Canadians going the other way. Yet, that imbalance is shrinking. Last year, 23,913 Canadians moved to the United States, a significant decrease from 29,930 in 2005. |
ROFL. This is confusing. Why would people want to leave a utopia and immigrate to a place where everyone but the rich suffer everyday because a cold-blooded capitalist state inflicts the most inhuman of all possible healthcare systems onto them? or a xenophobic East-Asian state that forces them to work humiliating jobs, for that matter...? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Please dear God not another influx of American lefties. The Viet Nam batch nearly destroyed Canada. During the Viet Nam war nearly 40,000 Canadians served with the US forces and they stayed in the US. The darned draft dodgers stayed in Canada.
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| Of course, those numbers are still outweighed by the number of Canadians going the other way. Yet, that imbalance is shrinking. Last year, 23,913 Canadians moved to the United States, a significant decrease from 29,930 in 2005. |
ROFL. This is confusing. Why would people want to leave a utopia and immigrate to a place where everyone but the rich suffer everyday because a cold-blooded capitalist state inflicts the most inhuman of all possible healthcare systems onto them? or a xenophobic East-Asian state that forces them to work humiliating jobs, for that matter...? |
It is simple. If the Canadian economy were slightly better less would move. If the political situation were better in the U.S. less people would be thinking of leaving the country for Europe or Canada. People who prefer New York to Tennessee move there simply to find a job. Does it mean Tennessee is better or worse? It's relative. Furthermore, many Americans firmly believe they have the best democracy in the world.
It's all relative. Which Canadian guy said Canada was a utopia?
There might be more British teachers, out of proportion with their population, when compared to Americans would that mean there is something wrong with England? |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| 10,942 hardcore liberals have left the country! That's wonderful news. If only the rest of them would leave faster. |
Please, give us your liberals and take our right-wing loonies. |
Big wasteful government bureaucracy, insanely high taxes, a health care system that's a freakin broken mess.......I'll keep those right wing loonies, thanks. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| If the political situation were better in the U.S. less people would be thinking of leaving the country for Europe or Canada... |
Do you really believe that 10,000 or so Americans out of 300,000,000 is a significant indicator of "the American people's" thoughts on "the political situation?"
You see far more numbers (a larger absolute number; a larger number proportionally as well) of Canadians immigrating to the United States than vice versa. Same goes, although the difference becomes astronomically different, with Mexico.
Draw your own conclusions. |
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