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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Are our days numbered? Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2007/08/123_7682.html
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, not anytime soon. They barely accept Canadian/American Indians who were born in those countries let alone ones actually from India. It won't hurt us much. Plus, many still enjoy face to face lessons, and I don't think that will change anytime soon either. It may be used in parallel to us, but not replace us. There is also the culture of our countries issue, which many people want with the English.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My company just hired an Indian software tester/programmer.

We did a teleconfrence interview with three guys. The interviews lasted about 30 minutes each. After the interviews were completed, I sat down with the group leaders and part leaders and I asked them:

Me: "Did you have any difficulty understanding their English?"

Korean engineers: "we understood about 20%"

This was a teleconfrence, with the latest, sophisticated equipment and a HUGE television screen.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

``We are all Asians so we can relate better to non-Americans, non-English students and non-native students wanting to study English,'' he said. ``There is a lot of benefits when you lean English from somebody who is not a native speaker, someone who knows Asian customs and the Asian way of thinking.''

I understand this point, but I doubt that most Koreans think all Asians are equal.

OP, I don't think this will have much of an impact on PS teachers for the foreseeable future. Even Hagwons, although they are mainly money-obsessed, will probably still hire native teacher over an Indian one, because of expectations. I'm sure most parents would rather pay for their kids to be with a native rather than an Indian. It may have a minor effect on TOEFL/TOEIC etc teachers, but I think that'll be about all.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is an excellent idea. English education is expensive when it comes to hiring native speakers, especially one to one tutoring. Maybe someday these people will be allowed to get E2 visas and work in the country too. Here's hoping.
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yesnoyesyesno



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i applaud this move. Indians ARE native English speakers. and it'll get Koreans away from the 'white is right' mentality regarding the English language. koeans aren't as dumb as some people on here think
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seoulman1



Joined: 02 Feb 2007
Location: Jamsil

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yesnoyesyesno wrote:
i applaud this move. Indians ARE native English speakers. and it'll get Koreans away from the 'white is right' mentality regarding the English language. koeans aren't as dumb as some people on here think


its all good and well to embrace them until you find out one is replacing you.
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VirginIslander



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Indian teaching English is comparable to a white guy teaching martial arts. Although both teachers might be experts and perhaps better than their native counterparts, many students feel that it is less authentic. This is especially true for young people.

Its sad but there is some truth to it. I mean, who would you rather have as your martial arts instructor: Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris.?

I believe that the Indian teachers will, as they want, appeal to students with less money. This will even the playing field a little.

However, most of us are here for our accents and because we are status symbols, not so much because of our expertise. For example, I was offered a very lucrative private job becasue I wasn't Canadian and the parents wanted one of the few Americans in their area to teach their children.

A funny thought. The English used the Irish to teach Indians English and the latter picked up a little of the Irish accent. Will them same happen to Korean kids?
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yesnoyesyesno



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulman1 wrote:

its all good and well to embrace them until you find out one is replacing you.


you scared seoulman? i got nothing to be scared of. i'm a man. i'll take the challange.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm,... my days are numbered here:

I am on my 1615th day here,... and counting
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julian_w



Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Location: Somewhere beyond Middle Peak Hotel, north of Middle Earth, and well away from the Middle of the Road

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
``There is a lot of benefits when you lean English from somebody who is not a native speaker,...'


sic

(chuckle chuckle...!)
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am of the opinion that change in this particular market place can only be a good thing, from a societal stand point.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be good to start your own Internet English business. Let them market their services and you walk up behind them and steal their hard earned customers. Plus we have the one thing they don't Native speakers. This would be easy to do. The article said they wanted 1000 students from Korea. at 100 or 200 won a month you are looking at 10 to 20 million won. Minus hosting fee's and paying the teachers you can have a great business.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Indian accent when speaking English is so heavy, I'm sure it won't catch on, so no, your days are NOT numbered.
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Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

julian_w wrote:
Quote:
``There is a lot of benefits when you lean English from somebody who is not a native speaker,...'


sic

(chuckle chuckle...!)

Yes, I was thinking the same.

India has a great tradition of English-language dailies and writers, but the accent and grammar are sometimes well, quite off, making it very difficult to understand a lot of their speech, even for trained western native English speakers. A great country, great people, but it sure wouldn't be my first choice for English teachers if I were training, among many other professionals, air traffic controllers.
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