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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: Black Conspiracy Theories Banned from Radio Discussion |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080201751.html
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For nearly three decades, the memo has been passed around by word of mouth, the Internet, on nth-generation photocopied fliers, making the rounds among African American activists, politicians and talk-show hosts.
In "Black Africa and the U.S. Black Movement," also known as Memorandum 46, President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser outlines a sinister 1970s government strategy to undermine black leadership in the United States and sow discord with Africans abroad.
It's a fantastic story, and on June 23, we devoted an entire edition of "The Casey Lartigue Show," our weekly political talk show on an XM satellite radio channel aimed at black listeners, to debunking it and other urban legends.
Everywhere we looked, we found evidence that the document was fake: a 1980 news clipping in which the Carter administration denounced it as a forgery; a September 1980 National Security Council memo noting that the "scurrilous document" referred to nonexistent entities such as the "NSC Political Analysis Committee"; 1982 testimony by the deputy director of the CIA presenting Memorandum 46 as part of a dozen suspected forgeries by the Soviet Union; a 2002 article by Paul Lee, a consultant to the Malcolm X movie by Spike Lee, dismissing Memorandum 46 as a fraud; and the real Presidential Review Memorandum 46, a bland call for a bureaucratic review of U.S. policy toward Central American issues, which is available on the Jimmy Carter Library and Museum's Web site.
We also contacted Zbigniew Brzezinski, the liberal lion who supposedly authored the memo. Not only did he say he had nothing to do with it, but the former national security adviser pointed out that in one of the versions circulating on the Internet, "the idiot-forger could not even spell my name correctly."
But if you think that was the end of the story, you don't know the world of black talk radio. These are the airwaves in which the first president of the United States was a black man, in which AIDS was cooked up in a government laboratory to decimate the black population and in which major corporations lace their food with chemicals to make black men sterile.
Colleagues at the station accused us of performing "counter-intelligence." Stalwart callers cried that the station was being "infiltrated." Harsh words with a station manager were exchanged. And we found ourselves booted out of the talk-radio business.
Americans love conspiracy theories. We question official accounts about the assassinations of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy, as well as the (alleged) deaths of Elvis Presley, Howard Hughes, Tupac Shakur and Kenneth L. Lay. Some people have doubted whether Neil Armstrong really walked on the moon. But conspiracy theories take on a life of their own in the black community.
Often, just one word can silence those who doubt the conspiracy theory of the day: COINTELPRO, the FBI's notorious anticommunist program that was used against groups such as the Southern Christian Leadership Council and the Ku Klux Klan. From the Scottsboro Boys to the Tuskegee syphilis study, our government has displayed a willingness to conspire against its citizens.
Likewise, truth-squadding becomes difficult when such theories are linked to hard data: Black Americans constitute about 12 percent of the U.S. population but about half of the nation's AIDS cases. That sets up the conditions in which, according to researchers Sheryl Thorburn Bird and Laura M. Bogart, more than 20 percent of black Americans think that HIV was created to restrict the black population.
A 1990 survey by the Southern Christian Leadership Conference found that one-third of black American churchgoers believed that AIDS was a form of genocide. One-third also believed that HIV was produced in a germ-warfare lab, and 40 percent of black college students in Washington, D.C., agreed. An even higher percentage of blacks polled said they thought that crack cocaine was custom-made to be planted in African American communities to keep them crime-ridden and poor and that the government deliberately targeted black elected officials to drive them from office.
These beliefs keep some black Americans from having their children vaccinated, from receiving AIDS tests and early medical treatment, and from practicing safe sex or using clean needles, as Patricia A. Turner and Gary Alan Fine note in their book, "Whispers on the Color Line." They also make seeking the truth an uphill battle. |
and it continues on.
I have no idea why people get fired or reprimanded for asking questions and wanting to engage in free speech. I had no idea about these conspiracy theories either...at least I didn't know they were so widely believed...or that people were so sensitive when they were refuted! |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.danielpipes.org/books/conspiracychap.php
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Conspiracy theories may well be most prevalent in black America. A columnist calls these "the life blood of the African-American community," and a clinical psychologist notes that there is "probably no conspiracy involving African-Americans that was too far-fetched, too fantastic, or too convoluted." She finds four recurring themes, all centered on the U.S. government: it uses blacks as guinea pigs, imposes bad habits on them, targets their leaders, and decimates their population.
But the sense of being surrounded by evildoers shows up in many ways, ranging from the petty to the cosmic, and does not always focus on the government. In a minor but indicative example, a new and inexpensive drink named Tropical Fantasy appeared throughout the northeastern United States in September 1990 and sold extremely well in low-income neighborhoods during the next half year. The fact that most of its Brooklyn, New York, employees were black made the beverage the more appealing. But anonymous leaflets turned up in black areas in early 1991, warning that the soft drink was manufactured by the Ku Klux Klan and contained "stimulants to sterilize the black man." Although journalistic and police investigations found this accusation to be completely fraudulent, it struck a chord among consumers, and sales plummeted by 70 percent. Other products, including Kool and Uptown cigarettes, Troop Sport clothing, Church's Fried Chicken, and Snapple soft drinks, suffered from similar slanders about the KKK and causing impotence, and they too went into a commercial tailspin.
On a larger scale, the assassinations of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr., continue to arouse suspicions among blacks. Nation of Islam leaders point to the FBI's not protecting Malcolm X; in King's case, they claim the U.S. government "set up his death." Joseph Lowery, another black leader, agrees: "We have never stopped believing for a moment that there was not some government complicity in the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr." The activist Dick Gregory, a comedian who long ago gave up laughs for conspiracy theories, also blames King's death on a government plot, as he does the mysterious murder of twenty-eight blacks in Atlanta in 1979-81 (which he ascribes to government scientists' taking the tips of their penises to use in a serum for countering cancer).
But the two main conspiracy theories concern fears that the U.S. government takes steps to sabotage blacks and the cluster of accusations promoted by Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.
AIDS and Drugs. The disproportionate incidence of AIDS and drug use among blacks prompts prominent figures to endorse a conspiracy theory that the U.S. government is behind these epidemics. The comedian Bill Cosby asserts that AIDS was "started by human beings to get after certain people they don't like." The movie director Spike Lee announced (in an advertisement for the Benetton clothing shops, of all places) that "AIDS is a government-engineered disease." On late-night television, rap singer Kool Moe Dee portrayed AIDS as a genocidal plot against blacks, with no dissent from host Arsenio Hall. A mass-circulation magazine for blacks ran as its cover story, "AIDS: Is It Genocide?" Steven Cokely, a well-known former Chicago municipal official, gave the plot an antisemitic twist, telling of Jewish doctors who injected black babies with AIDS as part of a plot to take over the world. Drugs and crime inspire similar fears. In the acclaimed 1991 movie about black life, Boyz 'N' the Hood, a character proffers a full-blown conspiracy theory about crack and guns being available to blacks because "they want us to kill each other off. What they couldn't do to us in slavery, they are making us do to ourselves."
With a black leadership falling over itself to endorse such ideas, it comes as little surprise that a 1990 poll showed 29 percent of black New Yorkers stating their belief in AIDS' being "deliberately created in a laboratory in order to infect black people," and 60 percent thinking the government was "deliberately" making drugs available to poor blacks.
These views set the stage for the sensational reception given "Dark Alliance," a three-part series published in the San Jose Mercury News in August 1996. The author, Gary Webb, strongly implied that the Central Intelligence Agency knew about drug dealing in Los Angeles by anticommunist Nicaraguans but did not stop them because it welcomed the funds they sent to the contras fighting in Nicaragua. Cocaine, Webb states in the first article, "was virtually unobtainable in black neighborhoods before members of the Central Intelligence Agency's army started bringing it into South-Central in the 1980s at bargain-basement prices"; this drug network "opened the first pipeline between Colombia's cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles." The Nicaraguan traffickers, he also maintains, "met with CIA agents both before and during the time they were selling the drugs in L.A." This, the series suggested, made the government complicit in the spread of crack, a cocaine derivative.
The Mercury News drew this connection even more directly on the Internet. Its World Wide Web site showed the CIA insignia superimposed over a man smoking crack. In a talk-radio interview available on the Mercury News's state-of-the-art Web site, Gary Webb asserted that "the cocaine that was used to make the crack that flooded into L.A. in the early '80s came from the CIA's army."
In addition to reviews by the CIA, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the Los Angeles sheriff that found no evidence to support Webb's conspiracy theory, several investigative articles found his evidence lacking. The Washington Post determined that "available information does not support the conclusion that the CIA-backed contras - or Nicaraguans in general - played a major role in the emergence of crack as a narcotic in widespread use across the United States." The Los Angeles Times stated flatly that "The crack epidemic in Los Angeles followed no blueprint or master plan. It was not orchestrated by the Contras or the CIA or any single drug ring." The New York Times found "scant proof" to support the allegations. These and other debunkings did force the Mercury News to backtrack somewhat; the editor insisted that "Dark Alliance" had only stated that individuals associated with the CIA sold cocaine that ended up on the streets of Los Angeles, not that the CIA approved of the sales. In addition, the CIA insignia disappeared from the World Wide Web site.
This reversal had little impact on black opinion, however, which widely accepted "Dark Alliance" as truth. Leaders immediately endorsed it. Jesse Jackson accused the government, through the CIA, of being "involved in subsidizing drugs." Dick Gregory got himself arrested at the CIA headquarters and proclaimed that "There is evidence inside those buildings that confirms that the CIA helped to destroy black folks. That's called genocide." Maxine Waters, South-Central Los Angeles's member of Congress, told a rally that "People in high places, knowing about it, winking, blinking, and in South Central Los Angeles, our children were dying."
Black journalists picked up the topic and ran with it. Derrick Z. Jackson wrote in his Boston Globe column: "the only conclusion is that Ronald Reagan said yes to crack and the destruction of black lives at home to fund the killing of commies abroad." Wilbert Tatum, editor of the Amsterdam News, found the thesis "entirely plausible." An editorial cartoon showed a car full of CIA agents driving in a black part of town, throwing packets of crack out of windows. The conspiracy theory even developed its own form of commerce, as Los Angeles vendors sold baseball caps reading "C.I.A. Crack Inforcement Agency."
The CIA allegations then provided the basis for yet more sweeping accusations. Kobie Kwasi Harris, chairman of the department of Afro-American studies at San Jose State University, discerned a larger pattern: "If America had a choice they would choose a disorganized, criminal black community over an organized, radical one." Barbara Boudreaux of the Los Angeles school board announced the existence of "a master plan to have mass genocide for every child born in the world, especially in Los Angeles and Compton."
Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. Louis Farrakhan deserves close attention, having become not just the leading black conspiracy theorist but also America's most prominent antisemite. In part, Farrakhan reflects Nation of Islam theology, which understands the white race's very existence as a conspiracy directed at the elimination of blacks. Along these lines, Farrakhan's associates at the Black Holocaust Nationhood Conference that took place just before the Million Man March of October 1995 held whites responsible for 600 million black deaths over the past six thousand years. Farrakhan's newspaper accuses whites of pursuing this goal through many avenues, foremost of which is AIDS, "a man-made disease designed to kill us all." (By "us," Farrakhan includes Africans: the U.S. government shipped a billion units of AIDS to Africa, he said, to annihilate that continent's entire population.) Other mechanisms include propaganda about black inferiority, substandard education, long prison terms, and making guns, drugs, and junk food available. Getting rid of black men through addiction, incarceration, or death also has the advantage of making black women conveniently available to white men, who then control them through a deadly combination of birth control, abortion, and welfare.
Farrakhan goes beyond the theology he inherited from his mentor, Elijah Muhammad, and displays an inclusive conspiracism of his own making. It began with the very death of Elijah Muhammad in 1975; Farrakhan rejected the official causes (heart failure and arteriosclerotic disease) and insisted that a conspiracy of family members, the U.S. government, and Sunni Arabs did him in. Farrakhan also focuses on Jews, a people the Nation of Islam had previously ignored, adopting many classic antisemitic themes. Jews, he says, are responsible for capitalism and communism, the two world wars, financing Hitler, controlling the Federal Reserve Board and Hollywood, and causing the U.S. government to go into debt. They dominate U.S. politics ("all presidents since 1932 are controlled by the Jews") and media ("any newspaper that refused to acquiesce to controlled news was brought to its knees by withdrawing advertising. Failing this, the Jews stop the supply of news print and ink"). In all, "85 percent of the masses of the people of earth are victimized" by Jews. The Nation of Islam purveys the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious antisemitic forgery, at its meetings and publishes its own literature of conspiratorial antisemitism.
Farrakhan also makes novel assertions about Jews. They carried out the transatlantic slave trade that he claims killed 100 million Africans. Jews owned three-quarters of all slaves, and they kept the slave system functioning. They inject the AIDS virus into black newborns and puncture a hole in the ozone layer. In a particularly clever bit of revisionism, Farrakhan turns around the active and lasting Jewish participation in black civil rights efforts, claiming that it was self interested. By helping integrate blacks, he says, Jews managed to destroy the autonomous black economic institutions and took over the business for themselves. By encouraging blacks to work within the system, rather than confront it, Jews kept them from escaping the strictures of white supremacy. In all, Jewish "bloodsuckers" have successfully blocked black advancement. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Not too long ago I read an article that made a good point. Asian immigrant kids stay home, study and aspire to enter the finest universities. As a result, many of them achieve that goal and go on to earn whopping good salaries and live in decent housing, etc.
All too many black kids look up (down?) to the street culture of hip hop, speak non-standard English, drop out of school, have kids without a firm economic base to support the kid, fall into gangs, drugs and prostitution to make money...and they say it's a conspiracy of whitey?
Professional victimhood is not all that attractive, no matter where you grew up. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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What is interesting about that is that when the Asian kids aren't studying they are appropriating black culture, languages and behaviors. I often see American/Canadian Asian kids/young-adults calling eachother "n---er" and talking/acting "black". But they go home and study.
It would be nice if the blacks would, in between being "real" and "illin", appropriate Asian culture learn algebra. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Chimp:
Sadly, there has always been a fringe element among black movers and shakers who buy into every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike. Of course, it's fueled by the histrionics of Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan, among others.
It's a knee-jerk, defensive and almost paranoid reaction to anything bad that goes down in the black community. It's also a convenient way to overlook internal strife and pin the blame on a bogeyman.
King never did this; Jackson sometimes refrains from doing this and Obama--well, we'll have to wait and see.
This kind of gross insinuation will continue until a critical mass of blacks become educated and involved enough to finally rid their community of the insidious mentality that allows them to believe that one leader speaks for all. It worked very well with King because he was not a man to exploit the power it gave him for personal gain. But no one has ever really stepped into his shoes with such an ability and willingness to discern what is in the best interest of both the black community and the nation. Even Malcom X was short-sighted but came around to King's point-of-view just before he was assassinated by the Black Muslim Brotherhood.
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What is interesting about that is that when the Asian kids aren't studying they are appropriating black culture, languages and behaviors. I often see American/Canadian Asian kids/young-adults calling eachother "n---er" and talking/acting "black". But they go home and study.
It would be nice if the blacks would, in between being "real" and "illin", appropriate Asian culture learn algebra. |
Sadly, again, there is a growing disrespect for formal education in much of the black community. It's a ghetto mentality that has even infected middle class blacks, who are now in the majority in this subculture. And of course we see it spreading the globe, especially in Korea and Japan (notably much less so in China, by the way).
Too many black kids feel the need to "act cool," and not just as a stage of adolescent development would expect, but well beyond it into their 30s. It has spawned irresponsible fatherhood, unwed mothers, and the highest incidence of illegitimate children in the industrialized world.
School isn't "cool" but everything crap gangsta rap and most hip hop is. A lot of Asian American kids feel the pressure now to reject the model minority "myth" and defy their parents' academic expectations in favor of this ghetto stance. I saw it firsthand over a decade of teaching in the inner city and it finally disillusioned me about my then career choice. |
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Jae_Sun_Kr
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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African Americans Have came a long way. The problem is that most want something for nothing. Work and for what you want. Stop crying about how white people treat you. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: |
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You guys are nutts !!?!
Black people? Where? The United States?
You speak as if there is a country called Black People and everyone lives in (American) ghettoes and listen to rap music. Are all blacks poor, don't study and live in an Americn ghetto? America probably has the largest number (millions) of very rich black people, equal to or more than many Asian countries.
America has a devastating and genocidal history when dealing with black people (If you are American, you should know your own history better than I) and blacks there are doing better each decade. Did you know there is still institutionalized and propagandic racism specifically against 'blacks' in America?
Ingnorance like:
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Not too long ago I read an article that made a good point. Asian immigrant kids stay home, study and aspire to enter the finest universities. As a result, many of them achieve that goal and go on to earn whopping good salaries and live in decent housing, etc.
All too many black kids look up (down?) to the street culture of hip hop, speak non-standard English, drop out of school, have kids without a firm economic base to support the kid, fall into gangs, drugs and prostitution to make money...and they say it's a conspiracy of whitey?
Professional victimhood is not all that attractive, no matter where you grew up. |
I went to China and I saw a lot of poverty, prostitution and drug use..even in a Communist country. Imagine these poor people arriving in America/Europe instead of the richest ones with money, businesses and education. What would people say about the Chinese? The same thing people say about Blacks in America.
Immigration to most countries allows only the richest to enter.
Judging, especially by watching entertaining TV and reading jaundiced 'statistics' with obvious spins to them is so easy, but it leads to ignorance. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting travel zen! But most mainstream black leaders saying a lot of the same things. That blacks should seek education, look to better role models than what is provided by the music industry. But you are very right about the progress that has been made. you are also right about talking about blacks as if they all buy into the ghetto gangsta lifestyle.
It's just that the young males who do adopt the trappings of thugdom make the headlines and are more noticeable than the people who go to work everyday, put money away for their childrens college fund, go to church on Sunday.
The topic was conspiracy theories and that they were banned on a black radio show. It may be that the african-american people who are involved with that particular show just do not want the more nonsensical of these theories getting more attention. thinking tht they do little good.
Did you know Canada banned immigration by blacks until 1963 |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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They do get more attention from the media, don't they. Conspiracy ?
Up to the mid 20th century, it was a pretty wicked time for anyone who wasn't WASP in North America. In South America? Probably worse.
I used to stereotype rockers and think they were all 'white guys'. Grungy looks and smelly. Then I grew up. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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sundubuman wrote: |
http://www.danielpipes.org/books/conspiracychap.php
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This article is very slickly written.
As an example, look at his description of the Gary Webb affair. He attempts to debunk Webb's documentation of CIA involvement in drug trafficking, but look at whom he chooses to look to for corroboration: the CIA itself(!), a Senate committee, LA Sheriff, Washington Post, and NY Times! I mean, can you get any more mainstream than that?
Look at who he does not cite: Federal Judge Robert Bonner, former head of the Drug Enforcement Agency who said on CBS' 60 Minutes that the CIA was responsible for illegally bringing in a ton of cocaine.
But don't take my word for it. Here's the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiC6Z_n_28E
Then, of course, ther is this story from last year:
Crashed Jet Carrying Cocaine Linked to CIA |
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