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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| This is just the latest attempt by leftist forces to gain power over the world's people, society, and economy. |
You're so cute!! It's the LEFTISTS who rammed through the Patriot Act?
It's the LEFTISTS (Love that word. I dun thing tha it mens wha you thing it mens.  ) Who rammed through the MCA?
It's the LEFTISTS who lied about and took us into an illegal and undeclared war!
It's the LEFTISTS who signed a presidential order eliminating the separation of powers?
It's the leftists paying scientists to debunk good science!! Do you think the Exxon scandal was a fantasy? Did you miss their 10,000 offer after the last IPCC report?
It's the LEFTISTS... You need some serious down time, friend.
Fair and balanced! FAIR AND BALANCED, I say!! FAIR AND BALANCED, SO DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!
Point us to, say, THREE peer-reviewed, accepted and supported research papers, friend, that support a single things you've claimed. (Hint: there are THOUSANDS of them that support the consensus.) And don't bother with any of the crap already debunked. |
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keane
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and sundubu? If I'm the one who is rigid and dogmatic in his thinking, why are you the one slinging insults and making dogmatic statements about churches of enviro worship while claiming that global warming simply doesn't exist despite their being almost no evidence to support your theory?
While at the same time I, the mad hatter of the environment, have embraced and wondered at the meaning of the one good piece of science to come from the paid thugs that make up the anti crowd.
Interesting, isn't it, that the only "science" to come out of the Ostrich Society of ExxonMobile, was an independent, unpaid blogger?
Tells you something, if you are willing to open your eyes. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Just wait a few years dude, and you'll be forced to find a new religion.
Was the ice age consensus right?
The Malthusians?
I actually feel sorry for you. Because unlike Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc.....
your religion is about to be disproved. No one can disprove heavan or a future armageddon....
BUT when sea levels don't rise (oh I know your new religion talks about decades from now...convenient) and glaciers grow....and no CATASTROPHE... happens....
you'll be to use a Kentucky phrase......up s h i t creek without a paddle....all cause of global warming!!!! |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Just wait a few years dude, and you'll be forced to find a new religion.
Was the ice age consensus right?
The Malthusians?
I actually feel sorry for you. Because unlike Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc.....
your religion is about to be disproved. No one can disprove heavan or a future armageddon....
BUT when sea levels don't rise (oh I know your new religion talks about decades from now...convenient) and glaciers grow....and no CATASTROPHE... happens....
you'll be to use a Kentucky phrase......up s h i t creek without a paddle....all cause of global warming!!!! |
Listen, my riled friend, one thing is certain: climate is never truly stable; it is only relatively stable. That you think arguing about whether it's cooling or warming is showing some great insight on your part doesn't show much sophistication. An understanding of climate history would show you in the stance that the climate could actually flip to an Ice Age or extreme warm period at almost any time. Relatively speaking. It is the deniers, like yourself, that like to pretend all is and always will be well.
By some counts, we are overdue for another Ice Age to set in. Why hasn't it? Ah, well, it could be because the natural cycle is in one of the few long interglacials lasting more like 30k+ years instead a measly 10 - 20k or so.
Or it could be we are disrupting the cycle and putting our imprint on it, forcing it to extend unnaturally. (Certainly there is the argument that, being part of nature, anything we cause is part of the natural cycle. A fair enough point.)
What is striking, dear strident friend, is the complete lack of any science you have to offer. You have offered names (of discredited non-researching, unpublished scientists, largely) and old data that is already disproved (I'm certain the work was sincere when done, it just happened to be faulty.) to support your church. Again, my thoughts are based on rational beliefs borne of reading reams of work. Your belief has no basis in but the scantiest of science, virtually all of it bought and paid for by the energy lobby based on a model of propaganda that was borrowed from the cigarette industry. (This is all proven fact, so don't even go there. I would lose even the possibility of respect for you if you try to deny the denial machine greased by Exxon money. You may argue the science and keep my respect, but if you resort to outright lies, I will be nothing but disgusted.)
Please articulate what is happening if warming is not. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Since the sky is falling folks are on their third strike in three decades....
I too will repeat...
Just wait a few years dude, and you'll be forced to find a new religion.
Was the ice age consensus right?
The Malthusians?
I actually feel sorry for you. Because unlike Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc.....
your religion is about to be disproved. No one can disprove heavan or a future armageddon....
BUT when sea levels don't rise (oh I know your new religion talks about decades from now...convenient) and glaciers grow....and no CATASTROPHE... happens....
you'll be to use a Kentucky phrase......up s h i t creek without a paddle....all cause of global warming!!!! |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Since the sky is falling folks are on their third strike in three decades....
I too will repeat...
Just wait a few years dude, and you'll be forced to find a new religion.
Was the ice age consensus right?
The Malthusians?
I actually feel sorry for you. Because unlike Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc.....
your religion is about to be disproved. No one can disprove heavan or a future armageddon....
BUT when sea levels don't rise (oh I know your new religion talks about decades from now...convenient) and glaciers grow....and no CATASTROPHE... happens....
you'll be to use a Kentucky phrase......up s h i t creek without a paddle....all cause of global warming!!!! |
The sign of a desperate man, or a propagandist, is one who will not answer a direct question.
I fail to see how consuming less, producing locally, living closer to natural states, creating sustainable, actually interconnected neighborhoods, and many other things, is going to leave me or anyone else up any creek without a proverbial paddle. A healthier life, even if motivated by an irrelevant fact, is still a healthier life, friend. This is another of the great failings of the deniers: their only solution is the continued slow poisoning of the planet. Why are you opposed to a healthier existence for all? AH! That's is what I forgot! The Global Warming movement is all about destroying capitalism!
Tee-hee!
Very well, then. Thank you for the opportunity to educate those readers who are yet somewhat in the dark on the issue.
May you someday learn not to cast stones at glass houses.
For those searching for real info, see the Global Warming thread.
This is a great place to start for those who feel confused by the propaganda or just new to the science of the issue:
http://www.aip.org/history/exhibits/climate/ |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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There is a big difference between desperate and annoyed.
Arguing with religious fanatics is a NO-WIN proposition.
A good place to start to receive a balanced scientific view on the issue is this wikipedia page listing some of the leading skeptics of the nature of the much vaunted "consensus"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
here are the type of people Keane would claim are "in denial" and Kennedy would call "traitors to the human race"
Roger A. Pielke, Senior Research Scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Science
Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute:
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists
Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovskaya Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the supervisor of the Astrometria project of the Russian section of the International Space Station:
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Reid Bryson, emeritus professor of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison:
Robert M. Carter, geologist, researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia:
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa:
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University
George Kukla, retired Professor of Climatology at Columbia University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory,
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware:
Marcel Leroux, former Professor of Climatology, Universit� Jean Moulin:
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa:
Tim Patterson [33], paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada: "
Frederick Seitz, retired, former solid-state physicist, former president of the National Academy of Sciences:
Nir Shaviv, astrophysicist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem:
Fred Singer, Professor emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia:
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London
Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center:
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, Prof
essor Emeritus from University of Ottawa:
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