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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Anyone Want This Job? Reply with quote

Saw this job on worknplay. It is a classic. That pay wants me make to work for them, 1.5m Smile. Why don't they look for native speakers rather than a "philipine"?

(Deokso:덕소) a philipine english teacher

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"No Logo"
"No Website"
"No Photo"

Organization Name: ABC inc.
Business Licence:
CEO Name: julia
Contact Number: 1
Fax Number:
Address:

Job Information
Job Title: (Deokso:덕소) a philipine english teacher
Job Category: ESL / Language
Salary Offered: KRW 1500000 per Month
Overtime Pay Offered: 0
Start Date:
Number of Positions Offered: 1
Working Hours/Month: 0
Type of Positions: Full-time
Job Location: Gyunggi
Housing Offered: -
Benefits Offered:
Teaching Level (If applicable): Grade School
Contact Name: Julia
Contact Email Address: julia0506@gmail.

Job Description
Hi. Teachers.

looking for a phillippine English teacher who has F2 visa, a bachelor degree and speaks fluent English. If the teacher understands some Korean, that would be great too.

-location: Deokso St(#k126), 20 min by bus from Gangbyeon St.
(Deokso St is the last station of chungang line ( another line 1, from yongsan, and is located east side of Seoul in Kyunggi)
-working hour: 1:30pm to 8:30pm
-Pay: about 1.5~1.8M won depends on the teachers' experience.
-starting from September, 2007
-teaching elementary school kids


If you are interested in this, please send me your resume and a current photo with titled email "deokso" to [email protected]

Thanks
Warm Regards
Julia
02-581-7337
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cerulean808



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a Philippine has good English skills I don't see why they can't be an English teacher.

I've met a few Philippines in Itaewon, none of them speak English well enough to be teachers of it. They work in bars and restaurants for about 40000 won per 10 or 12 hour shift. They shack up together in cheap accommodation and wire as much won as they can back to their 3rd World home, where incomes are a fraction of even their pitiful Korean earnings.

A contract offering 1.5 million per month probably looks like a gold mine to them even if housing, bonus and return flights are not offered.

And lets face it, all us wage slaves have to take it where we can get it. Wink
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patongpanda



Joined: 06 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a fortune by PI (can't spell it) standards.

In Thailand they get 10-15kB that's under 500,000 Won. (And they take a lot of abuse too.)
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.6 is rumored to be the "going rate" for illegal teachers,so no surprise with that 1.5 salary offer. It is surprising that someone put it in writing.
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valkyrian2
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Joined: 15 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
1.6 is rumored to be the "going rate" for illegal teachers,so no surprise with that 1.5 salary offer. It is surprising that someone put it in writing.


Actually, a Pinay with an F2 AND a degree would be a legal teacher.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just feel that teachers (no matter their nationality, as their are Englishes in the world) should be treated equally. I have met some Phinos that speak English very naturally and could be very good teachers, so why is there a divide between salary?
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I just feel that teachers (no matter their nationality, as their are Englishes in the world) should be treated equally. I have met some Phinos that speak English very naturally and could be very good teachers, so why is there a divide between salary?


Why: supply and demand. A Phillipino warrants, to the students, a lower tuition. This means less pay.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

valkyrian2 wrote:
wylies99 wrote:
1.6 is rumored to be the "going rate" for illegal teachers,so no surprise with that 1.5 salary offer. It is surprising that someone put it in writing.


Actually, a Pinay with an F2 AND a degree would be a legal teacher.


It is surprising that someone would put the LOW salary in writing. Usually, these kinds of "schools" tend to do things "hush-hush." When things are in writing, like this, those unluky enough to work there can compare salaries.
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cerulean808



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

valkyrian2

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Actually, a Pinay with an F2 AND a degree would be a legal teacher.


That would have to be a degree from a country where English is the official language right?

cdninkorea

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Why: supply and demand. A Phillipino warrants, to the students, a lower tuition. This means less pay.


A racist warrant. After all the ad wants a fluent English speaking Philippine with a tertiary degree, so the applicant has to be as qualified as us. So the lower pay is based on ethnicity.

Too bad there is no union here for FTs to put a stop to that.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a business. Its not a big deal that they are offering 1.5mil.

So a business wants to lowball someone on their wages. They aren't forcing anyone to work there. You either take the 1.5 mil or you go somewhere else.

The only way I can see that Ad to be racist is if it had said "If you are white then you will get paid 2.0million."
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of visa would the teacher have? Trying to hire an illegal immigrant because he's cheaper seems to fit under the general rubric of racism, don't you think?
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="cerulean808"]If a Philippine has good English skills I don't see why they can't be an English teacher. quote]
Even the worst English speaking Filipino is better than than most of the korean teachers trying to teach English.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this on the internet about phone english:

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Well, At Least They Left Out the Bone in the Nose

In a recent story, the Munhwa Ilbo (Korean) complained that some �over-the-phone English classes� supposedly taught by �native speakers� were actually being taught by Filipinos without credentials to teach English conversation (which, apparently, falls into something of a legal gray area).

The article is all fine and good, but Jesus, with all the Filipino wives in the country now (some of whom, interestingly enough, are being employed by local governments as English teachers in rural communities), the Munhwa Ilbo might have reconsidered running an accompanying illustration like this:

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cerulean808



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202

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The only way I can see that Ad to be racist is if it had said "If you are white then you will get paid 2.0million."


You're being one eyed.

The ad explicitly states it wants a particular ethnic type, which is racist in itself. Never mind offering a below market rate salary to that ethnic type ( everything else being equal.)

"Excellent opportunity and career prospects for a paraplegic recent law graduate for entrance level position in a high profile, prestigious, downtown law firm. Salary... ( insert amount 25 to 35% below that for market going rate if you can walk.)"

According to your logic there's no discrimination going on because the ad doesn't explicitly state "If you can walk we will give you more money, the actual going market rate for a recent graduate in fact."

Quote:
Its a business.


Doesn't mean they can do whatever they like.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Its a business. Its not a big deal that they are offering 1.5mil.

So a business wants to lowball someone on their wages. They aren't forcing anyone to work there. You either take the 1.5 mil or you go somewhere else.

The only way I can see that Ad to be racist is if it had said "If you are white then you will get paid 2.0million."


It's a LO CLASS way to do business in this industry. Most crooked hogwan owners don't advertise their BS.
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