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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: Massive Flooding Again in Midwest - No Looting |
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FINDLAY, Ohio (AP) -- More than 1,000 people were flooded out of their homes Thursday after the heavy rain that swamped communities across the Midwest sent Ohio's rivers spilling over their banks, the governor said. The storm's death toll also rose when three people were electrocuted by lightning at a Wisconsin bus stop.
''This is a major, major disaster,'' Gov. Ted Strickland told CBS's ''The Early Show'' Thursday. ''We'll do everything we can to help people get back on their feet, but this is going to take some time.''
In one Ohio county alone, more than 700 homes were severely damaged or destroyed by flooding, Strickland said. Midwest-wide, the count is in the thousands. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Allow me to step forward and provide an explanation that is decidedly not politically correct.
Chances of looting in the U.S. increase...
...the farther from the Midwest farm belt the city is AND/OR:
...the larger the city is AND/OR:
...the less educated the populace is AND, but usually OR:
...the more blacks live in the affected area.
The truth hurts. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Its funny Michael Chertoff was in the Midwest yesterday surveying the damage.
How many days did it take "Brownie" to get to New Orleans?
How many mid-westerners were trapped in their attics yesterday?
How many corrupt police forces abandoned their posts this week?
How many levees broke yesterday?
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Of course its just easier to be a bigot than actually look at a situation. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well, not so fast OH.
The looting in New Orleans actually started before Katrina hit, when most businesses had boarded up and their owners left the city. In addition, looting was done almost only by blacks. Mexicans, who are a fairly large chunk of the city (10%, if I remember correctly) didn't participate. Black police and firefighters did (instead of doing their jobs when they were needed most).
There are structural reasons that blacks behave the way they do. I'd say the war on drugs is #1 (the criminalization and educating as criminals of black men). Lets deal with these issues. Of course. BUT, can we please not pretend that they don't do what they do? Being honest isn't being a bigot. But the racism of low expectations is bigotry.
They looted because they are a permanent underclass prone to criminality. America needs to deal with why they are a permanent underclass instead of hiding all the crime they commit. It is no different in Canada with the Native Canadians. Not different at all (less raw numbers). We have very serious problems to deal with. Hiding the consequences of failed policy only hurts them. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite whined:
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| Its funny Michael Chertoff was in the Midwest yesterday surveying the damage. How many days did it take "Brownie" to get to New Orleans? How many mid-westerners were trapped in their attics yesterday? How many corrupt police forces abandoned their posts this week? How many levees broke yesterday? Of course its just easier to be a bigot than actually look at a situation |
BJWD has said most of what I would say in reply, and quite well at that. So before you mount your moral high horse again, reread his post.
The investigation into Katrina is still not closed. The Louisiana governor brushed aside initial offers for assistance from FEMA and she's a Democrat. Moreover, New Orleans has a history of municipal corruption and incompetence.
Stop sticking up for people who don't deserve it. Being an enabler is most unbecoming.
I was in the hot spot in LA the summer before the King riots and saw what little the local black community leadership was doing to help their own. And during the riots it was another minority--Korean Americans--who took the brunt of the backlash.
Finally, as you should know from my earliest posts to this board, I spent a decade by choice teaching and living in the inner city in a predominantly black high school, so go point your finger at someone else. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Midwesterners may be the most civilized people on Earth. I know I am. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't get why the black community doesn't listen to Bill Cosby. He's been upfront and clear about the problems. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Allow me to step forward and provide an explanation that is decidedly not politically correct.
Chances of looting in the U.S. increase...
...the farther from the Midwest farm belt the city is AND/OR:
...the larger the city is AND/OR:
...the less educated the populace is AND, but usually OR:
...the more poor blacks live in the affected area.
The truth hurts. |
Just thought I'd mention that...
Why do I have the strange feeling that looting wouldn't take place in NYC. OH! That's right we had a POWER OUTAGE and no looting took place...
I'm so sick of this nonsense. Louisiana before the storm was one of the poorest states in the nation. Police corruption, failing schools, lousy health care, high unemployment. oh and Blacks lived there. Why are we still jumping on the race carousel that goes round and round in circles leads to nowhere?
How about this? Explain to me why Louisiana is still a failing blight despite all the money being pumped into it? Do I blame the white Governor or the Black mayor of New Orleans? Do I use logic and blame the failings on bureaucracy and the various levels of government or do I simply use race because it requires no thought whatsoever and lets me show my racist colors under the guise of benign statistics and conjecture?
Quite bringing out race to make yourself fell better. It's quite low and makes anything you say that much more lacking in importance.... |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Alyallen wrote:
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| Why are we still jumping on the race carousel that goes round and round in circles leads to nowhere? |
Louisiana corruption extends to all socio-economic and racial groups and is well known in those parts. I never implied that blacks were responsible for all of it, or even most of it. Look at Huey Long, the populist governor back in the 1930s, who became the subject of Warren's All the King's Men.
I know you're desperate to pin me as a racist or a race baiter. That way you don't have to address my arguments seriously, It is the typical knee-jerk liberal reaction to anyone who has the temerity to pose the "black question."
Why can't you just admit what not only black conservative scholars have been saying for years but even the likes of Bill Cosby and sometimes even Jesse Jackson, namely, that much of the black community is now in a very bad way.
Look at the 2000 U.S. Census figures for a start. Incarceration is almost a rite of passage for young black urban males. Out-of-wedlock births run to 70%, which is shameful. Black fathers disappear faster than Vick from the NFL the moment they knock up their girlfriends. And this is just for starters.
C'mon, get a grip and admit it: in many important social indicators blacks are doing worse than even before the passage of the civil rights act of 1964, at a time when Jim Crow was repressive and could have given them the legitimate excuse of victimization.
And then order and read John McWhorter's "Losing the Race." He's a younger black who wrote this expose while a linguistics professor at UC-Berkeley. It will open your eyes if not your mind to what's going down in the crib. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Alyallen wrote:
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| Why are we still jumping on the race carousel that goes round and round in circles leads to nowhere? |
Louisiana corruption extends to all socio-economic and racial groups and is well known in those parts. I never implied that blacks were responsible for all of it, or even most of it. Look at Huey Long, the populist governor back in the 1930s, who became the subject of Warren's All the King's Men.
I know you're desperate to pin me as a racist or a race baiter. That way you don't have to address my arguments seriously, It is the typical knee-jerk liberal reaction to anyone who has the temerity to pose the "black question."
Why can't you just admit what not only black conservative scholars have been saying for years but even the likes of Bill Cosby and sometimes even Jesse Jackson, namely, that much of the black community is now in a very bad way.
Look at the 2000 U.S. Census figures for a start. Incarceration is almost a rite of passage for young black urban males. Out-of-wedlock births run to 70%, which is shameful. Black fathers disappear faster than Vick from the NFL the moment they knock up their girlfriends. And this is just for starters.
C'mon, get a grip and admit it: in many important social indicators blacks are doing worse than even before the passage of the civil rights act of 1964, at a time when Jim Crow was repressive and could have given them the legitimate excuse of victimization.
And then order and read John McWhorter's "Losing the Race." He's a younger black who wrote this expose while a linguistics professor at UC-Berkeley. It will open your eyes if not your mind to what's going down in the crib. |
What are you talking about? I addressed what you had to say. If you can't see what I'm talking about then it's not my problem. Ultimately, the issue is money. That will make anyone into a blood thirsty pack of looters in a split second. However, you took the low road and decided it had to be because they are Black. Let me give you a similar example...during Hurricane Dean, I remember reading that some people in Jamaica didn't want to leave their homes due to fears of things being stolen. What did the government do? Send out police to protect the lives of those silly enough to wait out the storm and the personal property of everyone in the community. If the federal governement had done the same thing, do you think looting would have taken place. The issue of looting is about opportunity and a lack of police or military presence. This is not a Black/White/ Purple thing, this is about an opportunity to take advantage of chaos.
I'm Black. I don't remember defending people going to jail, doing drugs or having children out of wedlock. I will however defend people from having yet another stereotype placed upon them. And let's not forget that I didn't start this thread and I don't believe a Black person did either, this was a blatant attempt to stir the pot and make Blacks look like thieving thugs in comparison to their midwestern White compatriots.... |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| this was a blatant attempt to stir the pot and make Blacks look like thieving thugs in comparison to their midwestern White compatriots.... |
What?!
Tony Baloney tossing out racially-motivated flame-bait and Steve-o and BJWD picking it up and swinging it around?!
It's so out of character! Say it ain't so! |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
| this was a blatant attempt to stir the pot and make Blacks look like thieving thugs in comparison to their midwestern White compatriots.... |
What?!
Tony Baloney tossing out racially-motivated flame-bait and Steve-o and BJWD picking it up and swinging it around?!
It's so out of character! Say it ain't so! |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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The solutions to "the black problem", the race problem, the poverty problem etc. are pretty simple and in the long run less expensive than the status quo.
Quality social services.
Quality schools.
Well funded health care including mental health.
These things are expensive in the short term, but in the long run they cost less. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| dogshed wrote: |
The solutions to "the black problem", the race problem, the poverty problem etc. are pretty simple and in the long run less expensive than the status quo.
Quality social services.
Quality schools.
Well funded health care including mental health.
These things are expensive in the short term, but in the long run they cost less. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. |
A simple truth but sadly hard to implement... |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Alyallen wrote:
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| Ultimately, the issue is money. That will make anyone into a blood thirsty pack of looters in a split second. However, you took the low road and decided it had to be because they are Black |
No, ultimately the issue is community policing and a strong dose of self-responsibility. It is not a stereotype that many blacks loot at the first chance they get; it's a repeated occurrence. During the Rodney King riots hundreds of blacks tried to loot the small businesses of other blacks and Koreans. What did that have to do with money, or racial backlash? They were being opportunistic, and inexcusably so. After Katrina hit New Orleans, CNN reporters caught dozens of BLACK cops in the stores raiding them and not caring one bit about how it looked to the community.
Blacks commit a disproportionate number of serious crimes in America, and 95% of all blacks are killed by other blacks. I myself witnessed over a decade the creeping influence of the gangsta mentality from the inner city into established middle class neighborhoods. The effect was just as damaging and the higher incomes of those who lived in these neighborhoods could not stem the tide of low social expectations.
Black America has become its own worst enemy, bro. You know it and I know it, only you apparently can't face up to it. Bill Cosby, John McWhorter, the Black Avenger, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, J.J. Watts, Shelby Steele, and sometimes even Jesse Jackson--all prominent black leaders--have spoken out on this crisis only to be shot down, accused of being Uncle Toms or worse, by the lowlife enablers who continue to blame everyone but the real perpetrators for the ills of the community. Sad but there it is.
Did you know that black teenagers whose parents earn incomes in the top 20% of SES score lower on the SAT than 85% of all white and Asian testtakers? What does money have to do with this poor academic showing, which repeats itself year after year after year across the nation?
In the late 1990s the Kansas City public schools spent 400% more on education, milking taxpayers to fund a "wishlist" for school administrators and teachers in predominantly black areas of town. They recruited much better teachers--all certified and qualified--and stacked the schools with learning resources and after-school programs. Result: after 8 years the standardized test scores had not increased at all.
It all starts in the home, bro. Too many single black moms with no child support, too many black fathers of kids from different mothers so that no one knows who is who anymore; far too many out-of-wedlock births, too many black children having children, too much dope, too much violence, too many gangs. I've seen it all firsthand in Chicago, Houston, and Los Angeles.
Your hero Obama believes if we only throw more money at the system, things will improve. It's wishful thinking at best and big lie at worst. Affirmative action has destroyed the motivation of many fine young black students to compete at the same level as their white and Asian peers. Obama supports affirmative action unconditionally; even Clinton had the presence of mind to try to reform the system.
The cult of victimhood is alive and well, I'm afraid. And it won't go away until people like you wake up and smell the coffee. |
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