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brentrobins
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 Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: evaluation of university english teachers |
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| I used to teach in korean adult hagwans and since they are businesses, there was tons of pressure to make most of your students happy and be popular. That does make sense from a business standpoint. Do universities care if the instructors are really popular with the students? Is there the same "talking monkey" mentality or are they more indifferent since the students will keep coming to the university regardless of who teaches there? |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Depends of whether the teacher is seen as a faculty member or visiting Mr. Bean. |
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Billy Pilgrim
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| We have evaluations from students just like all other professors at our university. However, the evaluations are academically orientated - content, preparation etc - which is more than fair enough. Our department wants to keep evaluations high because we are always struggling to be recognized as the equal of other departments. |
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Paji eh Wong
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Do universities care if the instructors are really popular with the students? |
It varies from school to school, but in general, yes its important for resigning.
Ask your new coworkers. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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It really varies:
I've worked at uni's where it was (from my perception) legitimately used to not renew a number of sub-par teachers... and I've worked at at least one uni where you we had someone detained by an embassy (yes really) for attempted breaking and entering, miss classes, assault/threaten fellow teachers/destroy uni property and STILL not get fired. The latter is of course only massively amusing in retrospect.
go figure  |
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brentrobins
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: teaching |
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| well, a good teacher and a popular teacher are not always the same thing. at the hagwans they could care less how good you are, it's all about popularity. I was trying to see if it's different at the uni's. |
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brentrobins
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: also |
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| Also I should make it clear that I'm not currently teaching at a university, and I'm not even in Korea. I left a few years ago and have been back in the States for a few years. I now have a master's which I didn't before and so have considered the possibility of going back for a university gig...I'd certainly never do the split shift brutal hours no vacation routine at the hagwans again. |
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ella
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| "Edutainers" tend to be more popular. Real teachers, who plan lessons, do their best to impart knowledge, and expect their students to do their assignments and actually learn something, are not. |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| ella wrote: |
| "Edutainers" tend to be more popular. Real teachers, who plan lessons, do their best to impart knowledge, and expect their students to do their assignments and actually learn something, are not. |
My ass. |
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makemischief
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| ella wrote: |
| "Edutainers" tend to be more popular. Real teachers, who plan lessons, do their best to impart knowledge, and expect their students to do their assignments and actually learn something, are not. |
I'll second the beaver. "Real" teachers can be just as popular (if not more so) if they know how to REALLY teach. |
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ella
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps it depends on the school and the students but that's definitely the case at the places I'm a familiar with. It's a shame but it's to be expected. Appearance over substance, and all that. |
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butlerian
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| ella wrote: |
| Perhaps it depends on the school and the students but that's definitely the case at the places I'm a familiar with. It's a shame but it's to be expected. Appearance over substance, and all that. |
Well, I'm starting my first Uni job here next week. I'll let you know how it goes. If they screw me over it'll be time for Thailand... |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| "Edutainers" tend to be more popular. Real teachers, who plan lessons, do their best to impart knowledge, and expect their students to do their assignments and actually learn something, are not. |
ella,
May "appear" to be so ....
You are not giving the students much credit. Perhaps that is one of the bigger failures of those "unpopular" teachers. Not their inability to teach but that they don't cheerlead.....this is as much (or the majority of) language teaching as anything else combined. Give 'em credit and they will rise to the occasion, even if outside the classroom (and where it counts).
There just ain't enough hours in anyone's course to "teach" English.
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| ella wrote: |
| Perhaps it depends on the school and the students but that's definitely the case at the places I'm a familiar with. It's a shame but it's to be expected. Appearance over substance, and all that. |
Well, I'm starting my first Uni job here next week. I'll let you know how it goes. If they screw me over it'll be time for Thailand... |
Oh, they can screw you over real good in Thailand. It's a snake pit too and in some ways it's even worse than Korea. When police in Thailand go on raids of schools, they use high powered rifles. How would you like to stand against a wall with six military police aiming and ready to shoot you dead? Ever heard of the Bangkok Hilton? Get on someone's bad side in Thailand and that's where you might just end up even if you are completely innocent. And I will not even get into what's going on down in the south with insurgents targeting and bombing schools/teachers/students.
I love Thailand but it's really naive to think the country will not bite you in the ass. Say something really nasty about the King, get into a fight with a monk, cause trouble with the police, show disrespect towards buddism all these things individually will cause you to end up dead as a doornail. |
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Hopelessly Human
Joined: 03 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I love Thailand but it's really naive to think the country will not bite you in the ass. Say something really nasty about the King, get into a fight with a monk, cause trouble with the police, show disrespect towards buddism all these things individually will cause you to end up dead as a doornail. |
Damn, and the first thing I planned on doing after stepping off the plane in Thailand was kicking an old monk's ass. Good thing you gave me the heads up. |
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