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[pauly]

I'm no expert, but I would say that Krav Maga is way up there. The Mossad are scary @ss people.

[The Perfect Cup of Coffee]

Awesome martial art related site:

Bullshido

[aloysha]

[in_seoul_2003]

[Treefarmer]

the one fingered push ups and stuff aren't just movies. i've only seen that done on discovery channel, so it may be hype.

but i did go to that show that the shaolin monks did a few years ago and they were not faking it. being hit full on with sticks, swords etc and absorbing it and they were the 'circus'. not the top practicioners

[bejarano-korea]

I'll give you my experiece of fighting, I have worked on a door and boxed amateur as a super heavyweight so here are my views on the last 8 pages or so.

1) Most men can't fight: Gary Spiers, the late great Maori martial artist said 90% of men do not know how to fight and this is true, not only do they not know how to fight, the majority of men are not conditioned to fight at any great length, any football hooligan video on youtube will attest to that which brings me on to point no2

2) Fighting is 100% in the mind: How many blokes have had their arses kicked by men who shouldn't have got within a mile of them physically is astounding. Simply put, if you have had a good day with the girlfriend or wife or been to see Ken Goodwin and in a jolly happy mood and some arsewipe wants to start trouble, try and back out of it if you can. Talk your way out of it because if you are not as mentally up for it as him, the chances of getting a good kicking increase. Sigifying you don't want trouble is enough for most scrotes who see this as some kind of victory.

Never EVER try an bluff, you HAVE to be ready to fight if you signify this as your intention, again a lot of guys have come proper croppers because of the bluff game and posturing. Today folks will kick you to death which will get them a 6 year sentence at strangways jail - out at 4 with parole - if they are unlucky.

3) If you can't get away - scrotes, arsewipes and yobs will kick you to death and the last that you want to do is start any martial art posturing because they will just end up stabbing you. if you can't get away from the situation by talking or by running away. Throat strikes - like a boxing jab is a fantastic thing to learn. It is potentially lethal to the person on the recieving end but if it is between your arse and theirs then use it. When it kicks off forget fair play, queensbury rules or posturing slam that throat strike and GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE - Do not for gods sake stand round being the hard man asking all his mates or interested passers by if they want some. Get out of there as soon as you can.

4) All martial arts are good - to a point! - MMA has proven that the more multi dimensional you are the more dangerous you are going to be in a fight, you need good wrestling/punching/strike technuique, kicking looks impressive but not very wise in a punch up in the street, especially if you are up against more than one man. If the situation is dangerous (ie if there is more than one person or you are in a part of town you don't know or you are with your missus) throat strikes - but remember, negotiate your way out by speaking slowly and quietly while moving away, do no shout even if they are shouting (very hard to do) only fight as a last resort.

5) Fitness - very important and very overlooked, I don't care if you are a 12th dan in karate, if you drink, smoke weed and don't train cardio more than 4 times a week, you are going to get your arse kicked like the ordinary punter who knows nowt. Sure you might have a better chance if you get the first shot in but if you aren't fit, within 2 minutes you are going to be in trouble and thats whatever you think you know. So if you want to be a bad ass ninja, get fit first with a good cardio and strength training programme.

So to summarize

1) All martial arts are good, but a good level of fitness is more important.

2) Never EVER try and bluff your way out of a situation.

3) Always walk or talk your way out of it and fight at the last resort.

4) Not mentioned it but I will now, alays keep an arms length distance between you and the scrote, if he tries to get in your face, back off till you are arms length even if the scene ends up like the credits of a Benny Hill show.

5) As soon as you have done the business - get out of there as soon as you can.

[bejarano-korea]

How to avoid trouble:

1) Don't start trouble: Obvious I know, but one mans joke is another mans insult. So try not to throw waterbombs at strangers, mimick foreign accents of people you don't know especially to members of the service industry, pinch the arse of a girl you don't know etc: How many people
have muttered the famous words 'It was only a joke' through a wired up jaw.

2) Learn manners: Hold doors open for people, let people pass before you, say please and thank you in all interactions even if it is some lowlife who works in the service industry! (sarcasm intended)

Nothing infuriates a person more than opening a door for someone for example only to be met by an insolent smirk - yes, you might 'not do' please and thank you but you are more likely to get your head landed on mars than the average polite person.

Do not shout at people, even if they are in the wrong. This is usually at bad service. If you feel you are going to shout, just walk away.

4) Treat everyone the same - you might tell it like it is to some little old man or a female traffic warden but they are the wives, sons, dads, grandads, mums and aunties of folk who can knock you into the middle of next week. Such behaviour increases your chances of a good beating tenfold. Try and treat everyone the same. (that is the way you want to be treated)

5) Look confident! easy for me, I'm 6ft 2in and 210lbs, I have never been attacked in the street yet, keep eye contact to a minimum unless someone appraoches you and then look into their eye. This doesn't have to be a face threatening act if you speak quietly and without fear or anger. Ask what do they want (how can I help you mate?) if it is someone who wants to call you a tosser, walk away, keep your distance and follow the rules above.

6) Alcohol, people who drink get beaten up a lot more than teetotallers, if you are an annoying drunk, stick to places where you are known and try and behave (or drink at home). If you cannot behave when you are drunk then the chances of looking like a panda in intenstive care shoots through the roof.

7) You are not Charles Bronson - guess what? Neither is Charles Bronson, You see something going down, ring the police. Almost all trouble starts in developed urban areas, with mobile phones you can move away and you will be more use as an eye witness in court than being in the next hospital bed as your victim. Sure, you can try and save the situation if you think you can handle whats coming but too many people become croppers by trying to intervene.

Protect you and your own - Only use force if you and yours are getting attacked. Don't feel bad about not physically intervening in a situation. Only feel bad if you walk away without ringing the police.

For someone who is not confident of physical confrontation - getting involved in an altercation is as stupid as a non swimmer diving in to save a drowning child.

Thats it for now I think!

[seoulsucker]

Krav Maga is definitely up there in terms of survival in the worst situations imaginable i.e. being significantly outnumbered, up against an armed opponent, etc.

In terms of one-on-one brawling, I would say that a balance between Muy Thai and Jiujitsu is probably your best bet. Most of the top MMA fighters seem to be sporting that balance well.

[BaguaFoo]

[xingyiman]

I can't add much to bejarno-korea's post because it pretty much sums up everything. From my experience which includes Shaolin Kung Fu, Judo, Muay Thai, Boxing, Takgeyon, Tae Kwon Do, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (most of which were studied in the countries of origin) I would have to rank Muay Thai as the best based upon ease of learning verus time spent and results. I think that many martial arts such as Ba Gua Zhang, Tai Chi etc, have far more potential but the inverstment of time to mastery would not be practical for most people. A person isn't going to put in a few months of training in Tai Chi and be able to effectively handle themselves. However I have seen people intensively train in Muay THai that accomplished that. It's pretty straight forward.

[Temporary]

How many of you actually practice Martial Arts..

You guys think that most people are capable of being good after few months. This thread has to be the most uninformed crap I have read on dave's.

First thing..

IT TAKES YEARS TO BE GOOD AT ANY MARTIAL ARTS! Some shorter then others but still takes a long time.

As for most effective..

I think a lot of you are Armchair Fighters and have no clue what it takes.
I heard from a guy from a guy or a friend of a friend. Untill you step up please shuUt up. Please provide proof. I am more then willing too.

As far as effectivness.. Simple is good.

English Boxing (Boxing in General) - Great for Streetfighting/Great for Competition
Muay Thai, Sho-otboxing, Kickboxing (derrivatives of boxing and kicking are great) Good for streetfighting/Great for competition
Roman/Grecko Wrestling Not so great for Streetfighting/Good for competition
BJJ/SAMBO Ok for streetfighting (incapasitation but also very impractical at times)/ Great for competition

Karate/Taekwondo/Hapkido/Akido/KungFU/TaiChi - Well I think they are good for discipline as far as fighting NO SO much.

If you guys think of streetfighting - I will take my GOOD OLD fashion boxing first hand OVER any other Martial art. Most Martial artists are overtrained and usually overthink a simple streetfight, I've seen this first hand. If you streetfight You are dumb and frankly have learned nothing from the discipline that any martial art teaches.

[Nowhere Man]

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