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Is 'ajumma' a derogatory or offensive term?
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Is 'ajumma' a derogatory or offensive term?
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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Is 'ajumma' a derogatory or offensive term? Reply with quote

I lived in Bundang, Korea for 1 year and never thought it's a derogatory or offensive term.
My quesiton is:
Is it offensive, mainly because it's occasionally used in a sarcastic or demeaning way?
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jeffkim1972



Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Location: Mokpo

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's just a term for married woman. Even if you are 18 and married, you are now an ajumma. If you are 60 and unmarried, you are still an agashi.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is. Just ask a Korean. Poll question is absurd here.

Aju-moh-nee is the respectful term.

Seriously, ask Koreans about this.

"Ajumma!" is not a polite thing to call a woman in Korean culture. But of course many are impolite.
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used the word several times with my coworkers and have never been corrected. In fact they were impressed that I knew what it meant.
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jessie-b



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it wasn't offensive in the past, but it doesn't seem like many women want to be known as Ajummas. In my Korean class we have a few young women married to Koreans and there was no end of teasing from the teach about them being Ajummas. Teach said she got really angry is someone mistook her for an ajumma. Maybe its similar to being called, "ma'am" in some parts of the U.S.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the context. The word ajosshi has certainly been modified here on the forum. Ajosshi means a married man, but here on Dave's, the word has taken a negative connotation.

I think if you are just referring to a married woman then Ajumma is not derogatory. It CAN be offensive if it is used to stereotype Korean married women.
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with VanIslander.
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zappadelta



Joined: 31 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Yes, it is. Just ask a Korean. Poll question is absurd here.

Aju-moh-nee is the respectful term.

Seriously, ask Koreans about this.

"Ajumma!" is not a polite thing to call a woman in Korean culture. But of course many are impolite.



I disagree. Ajumma is a polite thing to call a woman. And, Jeff Kim, a 60 year old unmarried woman is an agashi? I don't think so.
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ceesgetdegrees



Joined: 12 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's harsh when you are refering to a young ladie who has put their photo up on a website for everyone to see. are you really that angry at the world that you have to make unprovoked attacks like that?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It used to be a term of respect but because it has become something of a negative. In modern, youth oriented, stylish Korea, it has taken on traits of a plump woman who long ago stopped following trends.

While the husband's sole role in Korean society was to contribute sperm and a paycheck, a married woman traditionally raised the children, helped them with their homework, cleaned the house, paid the bills, handled the family finances, clothed her family, cared for her husband's aged parents, and took an incredibly menial job to pay off her husband's debts. Because an ajumma has little time left in the day to keep up on current fashions, Korean society has rewarded the ajumma's efforts by turning her into a symbol of uncouth backwardness.

I find it interesting that society has not turned ajussi into a pejorative. However, among the ESL crowd, we use in a pejorative sense, referring to an older Korean male hepped up on but undeserving of privilege based solely on being born with one X and one Y chromosome.

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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceesgetdegrees wrote:
It's harsh when you are refering to a young ladie who has put their photo up on a website for everyone to see. are you really that angry at the world that you have to make unprovoked attacks like that?


Yes. Context. With regard to the little interaction that inspired this thread, I found the OP's use ajumma puzzling, frankly. It did look like he was trying to insult another poster. Why did he feel the need to call a young attractive poster ajumma? Perhaps he could explain this to us.

Also, my adult female students did not like being called Ajumma, even if they had been married a couple of decades.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told to refrain from calling youngish married women ajumma. Women under 50 who still take pride in their appearance don't seem to like the term.

But I think it's more an issue of female vanity, unwillingness to grow old, rather than the word being rude.
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blynch



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: UCLA

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
ceesgetdegrees wrote:
It's harsh when you are refering to a young ladie who has put their photo up on a website for everyone to see. are you really that angry at the world that you have to make unprovoked attacks like that?


Yes. Context. With regard to the little interaction that inspired this thread, I found the OP's use ajumma puzzling, frankly. It did look like he was trying to insult another poster. Why did he feel the need to call a young attractive poster ajumma? Perhaps he could explain this to us.

Also, my adult female students did not like being called Ajumma, even if they had been married a couple of decades.


Look, she could be either 'agashi' or 'ajumma', right? but I wouldn't call her "agashi' because she is not that young... probably in her early 30s something... then what do i call her... 'ajumma'. that's not an insult at all. she is pretty and seems nice! I mean it. Smile
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blynch wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
ceesgetdegrees wrote:
It's harsh when you are refering to a young ladie who has put their photo up on a website for everyone to see. are you really that angry at the world that you have to make unprovoked attacks like that?


Yes. Context. With regard to the little interaction that inspired this thread, I found the OP's use ajumma puzzling, frankly. It did look like he was trying to insult another poster. Why did he feel the need to call a young attractive poster ajumma? Perhaps he could explain this to us.

Also, my adult female students did not like being called Ajumma, even if they had been married a couple of decades.


Look, she could be either 'agashi' or 'ajumma', right? but I wouldn't call her "agashi' because she is not that young... probably in her early 30s something... then what do i call her... 'ajumma'. that's not an insult at all. she is pretty and seems nice! I mean it. Smile


Why call her either? The third option was not to address her by either of those terms. Actually, I thought she looked in her twenties. Secondly, in this day and age, one can no longer assume that a woman is married just because she's hit 30.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some (young) Koreans will address a young white woman as "ajumma" as an insult.
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