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drogon



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Location: Spain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: There is something wrong Reply with quote

Greetings to the community

This will be a lengthy post so I already apologize.

I am an adopted Korean (therefore entitled to apply for an F4 visa).
2 university degrees (meteorology and journalism), I have been adopted by a European family and I spent most of my childhood in English speaking countries (international schools).
I worked for years in the aviation sector and in total more than 6 years of my professional life have been spent in English speaking companies.
(right now I am working for an American multinational company)
In addition I also have some teaching experience including teaching technical English to adults.

As I wish to relocate to my native country I started to look for a position.
Now my question.

After having sent my CV/resume I received quite a few offers for.......
English teaching jobs.
I answered positively and all the interviews went well then the offers were taken back when the director/CEO etc.... gave their answers.

I am wondering why????
To sum it up. My resume includes a photo (so it should be pretty obvious for the schools that I look Korean).
The interviews (Got interviewed only by foreign teachers) went well as the teachers were enthusiastic (and not faking as I have some experience working for HR) and by the way my English has a neutral accent.

I know I have some disadvantages like being Korean, not being a native English speaker but I really think that if some schools went through the cost of calling me (some called me 2 - 3 times) then my application was of interest for them or am I wrong?

I really do not understand maybe someone could explain?

Thanks
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a definite preference for a white face in many (most) schools/institutes here. Parents put pressure on bosses. There seems to be some prestige in being able to say my kid has a native speaker for a teacher.

Don't worry. You are not unemployable. Contact some of the gyopos here and ask them for advice. They have more knowledge about who will hire ethnic Koreans. If you also speak Korean, there are many companies that are desperate to find you.

From what you wrote, you are multilingual. There are schools that teach languages other than English. That's something to consider. Also from what you wrote, it is evident your English is perfect, so you could look into jobs in translating and/or publishing, as well as trade. Think about a government job.

My guess is that you have just had a run of bad luck. There is a great job out there waiting for you.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean Americans do get hired...so I wouldn't worry about. I'm Asian American and I had some trouble at first but I still found a great job.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han, Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=3033479
Image URL
http://photo.hankooki.com/newsphoto/2006/12/12/ensor200612122018471nofor3.jpg

Racial Superiority Is the Problem
by Han Kyung-koo, Chosun Ilbo (August 29, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708290007.html

Foreign Residents Face Discrimination
In Riding Subways, Opening Web Sites and Getting License
By Kim Tae-jong, Korea Times (May 31, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/05/113_3819.html

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448

For Housing Rentals, Foreigners Easy Victims
By Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (August 28, 2003)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=2162664

Have you been paid late in Korea?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=18732
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your adopted family from an English-speaking country?

In what country did you earn your university degrees?
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guccigoo



Joined: 02 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a NY born and bred Korean and honestly, the only reason why I got the job in Korea is because my uncle has a lot of influence and talked to some Hakwon owners.

When I was applying to hakwon's through a recruiter, I told the recruiter specifically to place me anywhere in Seoul. He tried and told me no one would take me because I was asian. The only hakwon's that would take me were in the boondocks are deep in the woods. Sucked big time.

I don't know what else to tell you except keep trying. I actually have a couple of korean friends who were able to get work without enlisting the help of their relatives. It just took them a while. =T
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drogon



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Location: Spain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am an adopted Korean therefore I do not have any Korean relatives.

My university degrees:
- Journalism obtained in French.
- Meteorology: All courses were in English (as in the aviation sector English is the only language used in meteorology)

I do not speak Korean, the only advantages I have are that I spent most of my childhood in English speaking countries or international schools and that I have been working for now more than 6 years in English speaking companies. (I am at the moment working for an American international company, leader in its market, as manager responsible for checking that the language requirements for the products catering to the English speaking markets are met)

Thanks for your answers, will keep looking.

What puzzles me is why these schools went through all the process
(and the costs of calling Europe) and were interested till the Korean director had to make a decision......don't they read the resume + introduction letter and look at the photos first????
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drogon wrote:
I am an adopted Korean therefore I do not have any Korean relatives.

My university degrees:
- Journalism obtained in French.
- Meteorology: All courses were in English (as in the aviation sector English is the only language used in meteorology)

I do not speak Korean, the only advantages I have are that I spent most of my childhood in English speaking countries or international schools and that I have been working for now more than 6 years in English speaking companies. (I am at the moment working for an American international company, leader in its market, as manager responsible for checking that the language requirements for the products catering to the English speaking markets are met)

Thanks for your answers, will keep looking.

What puzzles me is why these schools went through all the process
(and the costs of calling Europe) and were interested till the Korean director had to make a decision......don't they read the resume + introduction letter and look at the photos first????


They probably saw someone else of the pale persuasion after talking to you and decided to jump ship. It's hard to say but really don't worry about it. Hagwon owners are not necessarily the most logical bunch you'll meet in Korea anyway.

I don't really have any suggestions. You could give public school a shot. I do believe a poster named aphong (or something like that) is teaching at a public school. Maybe he will see this and respond or you can try to hunt him down yourself.

I will never understand how Koreans want to learn English but not from Asians or Koreans who speak English. It truly baffles me. Oh well, best of luck!
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drogon



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Location: Spain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The funny thing is I never thought I would teach again.

My point is: It is quite clear (after taking a look at my photo and reading my resume + introduction letter) that I look Korean etc...
thus if people are not interested by my profile then they simply do not contact me........At least this is what my experience in HR taught me.

True, I worked in Asia for 2 years (never in Korea) and the way the Korean language schools work suprises me more each time.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
After having sent my CV/resume I received quite a few offers for.......
English teaching jobs.
I answered positively and all the interviews went well then the offers were taken back when the director/CEO etc.... gave their answers.

I am wondering why????


Usually, the way they work is to send out job information, then interview you if they like what they see, while at the same time interviewing other people for the same position. In your case, were they offering you jobs then taking the offers back, or were they interviewing you along with other applicants and choosing someone else? From your post, it sounds like the interviews went well but they just decided to choose someone else, maybe their interviews also went well too.

If that is the case then it sounds like your competing for jobs where there are a lot of applicants. It's likely that some of those applicants have more experience, higher education, or degrees related to teaching, which would be more attractive to an employer than degrees unrelated to teaching English.

It's also possible that potential employers are reluctant to hire someone without experience teaching in Korea, whose visa wouldn't be tied to their employment with that company. They might be afraid that the employee wouldn't be able to tolerate the conditions, and they would have no recourse for recouping their airfare, and other costs.
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: There is something wrong Reply with quote

drogon wrote:
Greetings to the community

This will be a lengthy post so I already apologize.

I am an adopted Korean (therefore entitled to apply for an F4 visa).
2 university degrees (meteorology and journalism), I have been adopted by a European family and I spent most of my childhood in English speaking countries (international schools).
I worked for years in the aviation sector and in total more than 6 years of my professional life have been spent in English speaking companies.
(right now I am working for an American multinational company)
In addition I also have some teaching experience including teaching technical English to adults.

As I wish to relocate to my native country I started to look for a position.
Now my question.

After having sent my CV/resume I received quite a few offers for.......
English teaching jobs.
I answered positively and all the interviews went well then the offers were taken back when the director/CEO etc.... gave their answers.

I am wondering why????
To sum it up. My resume includes a photo (so it should be pretty obvious for the schools that I look Korean).
The interviews (Got interviewed only by foreign teachers) went well as the teachers were enthusiastic (and not faking as I have some experience working for HR) and by the way my English has a neutral accent.

I know I have some disadvantages like being Korean, not being a native English speaker but I really think that if some schools went through the cost of calling me (some called me 2 - 3 times) then my application was of interest for them or am I wrong?

I really do not understand maybe someone could explain?

Thanks


Universities are likely to be particularly interested. There is a 22-year old Korean-American at the university that I work at who is highly appreciated.
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drogon



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Location: Spain

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 3 cases I got offered the positions (after interviews etc...) then they were taken back.......Even received one contract then sent it back signed
then received a mail telling me that I will not be hired.
(thanks for telling me that after I paid Fedex)

I have a good position in Europe and I am just eager to go back to my native country.

I find this first contact with Korea is not what I expected.
(From my logical point of view when a company tells you that they want to hire you and even send you a contract to sign then I assume that everything will go smoothly, seems that in Korea this is not the case)

Yes, I would be far more interested in finding a university job but the problem is I do not have a Phd and of course I am not a citizen from an "English speaking country".

I got another "final" interview yesterday, this time with the owner/director of the hakwon herself.
She told me that she wanted to hire me, I know that oral promises worth nothing, so I am waiting for an update on monday.

Thanks to all the posters
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try the public schools. Also, work out in the provinces. The country is so small that it only takes some 4 or 5 hours max to get into Seoul.
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drogon



Joined: 07 Sep 2007
Location: Spain

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I know (could be wrong though) there are no chances that public schools would consider my application.

I am on an F4 visa (so it means that I do not have to meet the requirements needed for an E2 visa like being a citizen from UK, US etc...)
but I do not think a public school would recruit someone who does not have the tag "native English speaker".
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drogon wrote:
From what I know (could be wrong though) there are no chances that public schools would consider my application.

I am on an F4 visa (so it means that I do not have to meet the requirements needed for an E2 visa like being a citizen from UK, US etc...)
but I do not think a public school would recruit someone who does not have the tag "native English speaker".


Actually, there are lots of F4s in public schools. The pnly requirement is that you meet the same requirements as an E2 (English speaker and have a degree).

If you can't meet those 2 minimum requirements you can't teach English in Korea - regardless of your visa status.
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