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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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 Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: UK residents certificate |
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My new school just asked me to supply them with a resident certificate, for tax purposes. Anyone from the UK know what this is and how to get it sorted?
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Woden
Joined: 08 Mar 2007
Location: Eurasia
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Don't think we have one as such, least not as in US.
Phone up the relevant tax office in UK (eg, mine was West Craven and Yorkshire, but I am from London and lived in Liverpool; it has nothing to do with locality!). Tell them to write you a letter with your N.I. number and stating you were a UK tax payer.
That is all did and it did the trick. |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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If your in a GEPIK school, it is done automaticaly.
I declared myself NON-resident for tax purposes, as I don't know when I will be back to the UK.
On the tax office website, there are many forms for everything. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Wouldn't a P45 be enough? |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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If I were you, cj1976, I would be on the safe side and just pay Korean taxes.
The standard interpretation of this situation - the received wisdom - is that to be resident in the UK and subject to UK taxes, one must be physically present in the UK for half a year or more. That's what the Inland Revenue website says and that's what one British poster (Woden) reported Inland Revenue telling him.
However, I know a girl who has received letters from Inland Rev saying - for tax purposes - she's resident in the UK and her Korean income is subject to UK taxes.
Ouch. |
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silver_butterfly
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
However, I know a girl who has received letters from Inland Rev saying - for tax purposes - she's resident in the UK and her Korean income is subject to UK taxes.
Ouch. |
Yup that happened to me, they kinda notified me and said they were going to send the relevant forms for me to fill out but lo and behold they never arrived (I never thought I'd be thankful for the UK-Korean postage connection). |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| silver_butterfly wrote: |
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However, I know a girl who has received letters from Inland Rev saying - for tax purposes - she's resident in the UK and her Korean income is subject to UK taxes.
Ouch. |
Yup that happened to me, they kinda notified me and said they were going to send the relevant forms for me to fill out but lo and behold they never arrived (I never thought I'd be thankful for the UK-Korean postage connection). |
Just so we're crystal clear, you did all the "residence certificate" (involving Inland Rev before you left) stuff under the impression that you'd be tax exempt in Korea, and you ended up eligible for UK taxes on your Korean salary - is this correct? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all the help, people but I am still utterly baffled by this. When it comes to thinking about tax-related matters, my brain just kicks out white noise. I went to my local tax office to fill out some forms declaring my departure from Blighty, and where I was going etc. Isn't that enough? I don't want to have to call my local tax office from here, because no doubt I will have to wait 45 mins before the call-centre answers. |
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silver_butterfly
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
Just so we're crystal clear, you did all the "residence certificate" (involving Inland Rev before you left) stuff under the impression that you'd be tax exempt in Korea, and you ended up eligible for UK taxes on your Korean salary - is this correct? |
A while ago now but from what I can remember, yes.
I thought I'd be considerate and fill in the forms to let them know I was no longer in the country with no real intention of coming back anytime soon...next thing I know I receive the letter here informing me to fill out some forms that would be sent soon so I can pay tax in the UK. I would much rather pay tax here in Korea 'cause I'm HERE!! Well, that's the UK for you!! |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
If I were you, cj1976, I would be on the safe side and just pay Korean taxes.
The standard interpretation of this situation - the received wisdom - is that to be resident in the UK and subject to UK taxes, one must be physically present in the UK for half a year or more. That's what the Inland Revenue website says and that's what one British poster (Woden) reported Inland Revenue telling him.
However, I know a girl who has received letters from Inland Rev saying - for tax purposes - she's resident in the UK and her Korean income is subject to UK taxes.
Ouch. |
The half-year thing isn't true. You have to be out of the country for the whole year not to be liable for UK tax. I found this out when I applied for a rebate after spending eight months of the tax year in Australia, only to be told that yes, they'd send me the appropriate forms, but not to get a rebate but to do a self-assessment, so they could work out exactly what I owed them. It seemed that they wanted me to pay tax on what I'd earned in Australia, what with me being a legal resident of the UK for all that time. This led to a whole slew of correspondence between us, taking up to eight weeks for each communication from their side, and I was fearing a huge bill for the tax due on my earnings accrued in Oz. During this time, I kept moving house, and they kept finding me. After a while, things went quiet and I hoped the matter had been forgotten about. However, a year and half later, a further now-familiar brown envelope arrived, but this one was not a further request for pointlessly precise information, but was in fact a cheque for six hundred quid. Why did I get it? I don't know. I just ran to the bank with it and stuck it in my account before anyone asked for it back.
Net result: I am now apparently on Self-Assessment for life and have just received a letter forwarded from the UK telling me I'm being fined one hundred squids for failing to submit a tax return last year. Even though I'm not self-employed or earning any untaxed income. During one of the many conversations I've had with the Inland Revenue, one member of staff told me: "You should have never have told us you were earning money overseas. We would never have known."
Moral of the story: Unless you're especially keen to get a particularly parsimonious and officious pen-friend in the UK, avoid any contact with the Inland Revenue and tell them nothing. |
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trubadour
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| Moral of the story: Unless you're especially keen to get a particularly parsimonious and officious pen-friend in the UK, avoid any contact with the Inland Revenue and tell them nothing. |
lol
phew! |
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silver_butterfly
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I second that!! Ha ha ha!
Well, I've been out here over a year and heard nothing, so I guess I'm off the hook!?  |
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newintown
Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, i spoke with a tax inspector before i left, and they said the same; the fact that you're living in & paying tax in another country does not mean your tax liability stops back home. fuking disgraceful. still have to fund the underclass scumbags when you're doing your best to escape them.
anyway. keeping your lips sealed is the best policy.
oh, and if you do intend on claiming a tax rebate, you must be out of the country april - april, not any 12 month period.
the cheek of it! |
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silver_butterfly
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, what's this tax rebate then? Guess it's nothing to do with me as I'm not paying tax back home??
But yeah, I think it sucks!! One of the reasons some of us left was to make a honest living and not support those who don't deserve tax-payers money. I think anyone who can is jumping ship - it'd be silly not to! |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| silver_butterfly wrote: |
Oh, what's this tax rebate then? Guess it's nothing to do with me as I'm not paying tax back home??
But yeah, I think it sucks!! One of the reasons some of us left was to make a honest living and not support those who don't deserve tax-payers money. I think anyone who can is jumping ship - it'd be silly not to! |
If you were out of the country April-April, you would not be liable for UK tax and so could claim back any tax paid on earnings in the UK. Of course, you wouldn't have been in the UK for the whole year so earning money there would have been a little difficult. But if you managed it somehow, you could claim back the tax.
I had previously been under the impression that if you were out of the country for six months of the tax year, you could claim back all your UK-paid tax for that year. This is not the case. If you're in the UK for just one day of the tax year (and are 'normally resident' there), you would in theory be liable to pay tax there. However, you have to be in the country for more than six months of the year to vote in the UK. It's a disgrace, it is. |
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