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keane
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Here's a bit more for you, enns. You seem sincere, so I took a few more minutes on this.
Enjoy.
Sun dismissed.
This is a full debunking.
Swindlers Dismissed |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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You are an idiot.
I wish you luck with that. |
Touchy.
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Sundubu? Sundubu? Suuuuuuuunduuuuuuubuuuuuuuu! Dooooon't gooooooooooooo!
Miss ya, friend.
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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There was a recent hullabaloo over a revision to NASA data that led to a big surge in anti-global warming rhetoric that, I was certain, would be proven unfounded soon. While the change in NASA numbers does show the science can sometimes be off, it also shows that sometimes "off" means nothing more than a slight revision.
The claim of the anti-GW crowd, based on the very real historical data revision, was that 1938 is not the warmest year on record. Several other non-1980-90's years also made it into the top ten. Here's what was either misunderstood, left out intentionally or lied about:
1. The numbers involve only the lower 48 states of the US. They are not global.
2. 1938 did become the warmest on record in the US, not globally.
3. The change to global temperatures was less than one thousandth of a degree globally, and changed nothing of global trends.
4. The problem with the numbers had nothing to do with Y2K.
Read it here. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Earth's "vital signs" in bad shape: report
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DALLAS (Reuters) - More wood was removed from forests in 2005 than ever before...
"You see many trends in climate change, whether we are talking about grain production which is affected by droughts and flooding. Or meat production as livestock production makes up about 20 percent of greenhouse gas emissions," he told Reuters in a telephone interview before the report's release.
...unsustainable consumption patterns were responsible for climate change linked to carbon emissions and other ecological woes.
He said of the 44 trends tracked by the report, 28 were "pronouncedly bad" and only six were positive.
...The growing use of wind power is among the few trends seen as positive.
Some of the points highlighted in the report include:
- Meat production hit a record 276 million metric tons (43 kilograms or 95 pounds per person) in 2006.
- Meat consumption is one of several factors driving rising soybean demand. Rapid expansion of soybean plantations in South America could displace 22 million hectares (54 million acres) of tropical forest and savanna in the next 20 years.
- The rise in global seafood consumption comes as many fish species become scarcer. In 2004, people ate 156 million metric tons of seafood, the equivalent of three times as much seafood per person than in 1950.
- While U.S. carbon emissions continue to grow, the fastest rise is occurring in Asia, particularly China and India. |
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keane
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Antarctic ice grows to record levels
By Meteorologist Joe D�Aleo
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12 Sep 07 - The Southern Hemisphere (Antarctica) has quietly set a new record for most ice extent since 1979. The Southern Hemispheric areal coverage is the highest in the satellite record, just beating out 1995, 2001, 2005 and 2006. Since 1979, the trend has been up for the total Antarctic ice extent.
While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting, which explains the increase in total extent. This dichotomy was shown in a World Climate Report blog posted recently with a similar tale told by Ohio State Researcher David Bromwich, who agreed: "It�s hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now."
Indeed, according the NASA GISS data, the South Pole winter (June/July/August) has cooled about 1 degree F since 1957 and the coldest year was 2004. This winter has been an especially harsh one in the Southern Hemisphere with cold and snow records set in Australia, South America and Africa. We will have recap on this hard winter shortly.
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| The Mainstream Media won't touch this story....it would be down right BLASPHEMOUS! |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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FALSE. The accumulation of ice in Antarctica, particularly Eastern Antarctica is EXPECTED, as you well know, because it's been posted before. This is evidence that the models are right, not wrong.
Your lack of a LINK is interesting. Here it is for you:
http://www.iceagenow.com/Antarctic_ice_grows_to_record_levels.htm
Which was copied from:
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/a_new_record_for_antartic_total_ice_extent
What strikes me is, neither is a scientific website, sundubu. How does that work? Bloggers trump scientists? Hmmm...
I love your web site: Tim Ball, Harris, Lindzen... none of 'em doing science, all running their mouths, and all in the pocket of Exxon....
Great work, sundubu. 
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Absolutely nothing kills a thread better than BLT. Nothing. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Absolutely nothing kills a thread better than keane. Nothing. |
Now truth kills?
You're a trip, BJ. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have never come across a poster who more throughly destroys every single thread on this site. If blt touches it, he ruins it.
BLT. You are crazy. Your mind doesn't work as it ought. Get some help. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
I have never come across a poster who more throughly destroys every single thread on this site. If blt touches it, he ruins it.
BLT. You are crazy. Your mind doesn't work as it ought. Get some help. |
Mirror, friend, mirror. Buy one. I posted accurate information that you characterize as "thread killing," yet think *I* have the problem? Post on topic or be quiet. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Sea level changes? Good christ... I thought you knew something on this subject! They are already rising. People are being displaced NOW. It will only get worse from here.
Keep in mind that the paper tht came out in January had a dissenting group that stated that things were happening much faster than even THAT paper had stated. Remember Chaos: these things do NOT happen in a linear manner. It will get worse far more rapidly than most think now. This [I] promise you. |
August 2007
Satellites witness lowest Arctic ice coverage in history
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14 September 2007
The area covered by sea ice in the Arctic has shrunk to its lowest level this week since satellite measurements began nearly 30 years ago, opening up the Northwest Passage � a long-sought short cut between Europe and Asia that has been historically impassable.
In the mosaic image above, created from nearly 200 images acquired in early September 2007 by the Advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar (ASAR) instrument aboard ESA�s Envisat satellite, the dark gray colour represents the ice-free areas while green represents areas with sea ice.
Leif Toudal Pedersen from the Danish National Space Centre said: "We have seen the ice-covered area drop to just around 3 million sq km which is about 1 million sq km less than the previous minima of 2005 and 2006. There has been a reduction of the ice cover over the last 10 years of about 100 000 sq km per year on average, so a drop of 1 million sq km in just one year is extreme.
Envisat ASAR mosaic of Arctic Sea
Mosaics of Arctic Ocean for 2005, 2006, 2007
"The strong reduction in just one year certainly raises flags that the ice (in summer) may disappear much sooner than expected and that we urgently need to understand better the processes involved." |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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What happens when a chaotic process gets rolling? Tipping points... lead to multiple more tipping points.. and so on... and so on...
Feedback is a bitch.
Multiple Studies Reveal Dire Meltdown in Arctic
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The opening of the fabled Northwest Passage and the recent announcement that Arctic Sea ice has reached a new record summer low are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Polar problems, so to speak.
Two new studies by scientists who keep an eye on sea ice melt have provided further evidence that the Arctic is currently suffering the brunt of global warming's effects, with the ice becoming thinner and winter ice also beginning to decline.
Ice melt in the summer is a normal phenomenon... with ice extent reaching a record low on Sept. 16 this year, according to the University of Colorado at Boulder's National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).
Winter sea ice, on the other hand, had remained fairly steady�until now.
Winter decline
...al Geophysical Research Letters, showed that the warming waters in the Barents Sea�which have risen about 3 degrees Celsius since 1980�are to blame for the reduction in winter ice cover. Two factors contribute to the warming of the Barents Sea: warming Atlantic waters funneled in by the Gulf Stream and solar heating of the open ocean as ice melts in the summer, both of which make it harder for new ice to form in the winter.
The latter factor, known as the ice-albedo feedback, has been predicted by climate models...
Francis says that this retreat of the winter ice edge is "another piece of evidence that the ice-albedo feedback is appearing in the real world and not just in the model world."
A retreating ice edge isn't the only problem plaguing the Arctic sea ice. It's also getting thinner.
Younger and thinner
...Newly formed ice (about 1 or 2 years old) will only be about 1 meter thick, whereas ice that is closer to 5 years old will be between 2 and 3 meters thick.
Ice thickness is key to the survival of sea ice... most of the Arctic sea ice in the 1980s was around 5 years old (with some sections even climbing up to 9 or 10 years old), the oldest ice the researchers can find now is only 2 or 3 years old. All the 10-year-old ice has melted away.
"The ice is getting a lot younger in the Arctic," said Stroeve. "Much more of the Arctic is about 1 meter thick."...
Ice-free by 2015?
This news doesn't bode well for the future of the Arctic sea ice and has left Francis and other scientists wondering, "Is this the beginning of a precipitous decline in the sea ice?" Francis said.
In another study that came out earlier this year, Stroeve compared current measurements of sea ice melt with the predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's models�and what she found gave her cause for worry.
"We're about 30 years ahead of where the climate models say we should be," Stroeve told LiveScience.
...Francis and Stroeve both say that an unusually cold summer or winter in the future could pump ice levels back up, but they aren't optimistic that the ice will ever return to historic levels.
"It's hard to imagine seeing it turned around," Francis said. |
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