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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: I am not sure what to think of this... |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/special/2007/09/177_10424.html
it's a wonderful thing, no, a great thing what these two are doing. Though, what differentiates them from the few that have been busted for 'illegally' donating their time at orphanages? I thought it was illegal for us to do anything outside of teaching? Can anyone clarify this? |
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mehamrick
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I am with you on this one.. Knowing Busan immi and they way they are I wonder how long it will take them to look into this one. Wonderful thing yes, but not without the right paperwork. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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What they are doing is so kind but imagine how much it will devastate them if immigration drops the hammer on them for trying to do a good deed.
But I sort of think they might get away with it. A few years back some people I know and I held an English camp with all benefits going to the Red Cross for Tsunami relief. I nor anyone else involved didn't get into trouble but with the current climate in regards to foreigners, it's hard to tell which side of the law they'll wind up... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| As long as it's all a pro-Korea I'm sure they have nothing to worry about. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| As long as it's all a pro-Korea I'm sure they have nothing to worry about. |
I hope so. But then again, Imagine if Immi. tried to boot them out and the media got wind of this. "foreigners helping Koreans and donating money to Korea and get axed by immi. for it". I doubt that I would EVER see that headline. |
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brento1138
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| As long as it's all a pro-Korea I'm sure they have nothing to worry about. |
I hope so. But then again, Imagine if Immi. tried to boot them out and the media got wind of this. "foreigners helping Koreans and donating money to Korea and get axed by immi. for it". I doubt that I would EVER see that headline. |
Well, if that happens, we should MAKE it the headline. I think the media would love a story like that. |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Alyallen wrote: |
What they are doing is so kind but imagine how much it will devastate them if immigration drops the hammer on them for trying to do a good deed.
But I sort of think they might get away with it. A few years back some people I know and I held an English camp with all benefits going to the Red Cross for Tsunami relief. I nor anyone else involved didn't get into trouble but with the current climate in regards to foreigners, it's hard to tell which side of the law they'll wind up... |
Current climate? You mean the one that has been current since the inception of the Chosun Dynasty and the adoption of Neo-Confucianism as the guiding light of the state? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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The Korean media loves kicking foreigners when they are down. They, and immigration, would have no problem trying to dirty the face of those good-hearted teachers.
Cubanlord, and everyone esle (including MODS, make this info a sticky):
Volunteering is NOT illegal. You DO have to register your volunteering with immigration. The link: http://www.immigration.go.kr/HP/IMM80/imm_04/imm_0404/sm9.jsp
And were people actually busted for volunteering at an orphanage?? What was the result? |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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I made a post about this a long time ago when people got all riled up about immigration stating that foreigners couldn't volunteer at orphanages.
THE KOREAN GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL OFFICIALS DO NOT WANT FOREIGNERS ANYWHERE NEAR ORPHANAGES HERE!!!
Orphanages are yet another of Korea's dirty little secrets and they don't want foreigners to see these kinds of things. They really want to keep it hidden away and our volunteering is an embarrassment to them.
They want foriegners doing things like loving kimchi, praising "D-War", enjoying Korea's unique 4 seasons, admiring the scientific genius of the Korean language, Dynamic Korea, Korea Sparkling, etc. etc. etc.
Us foreigners spending time at and letting others know about Korea's orphan situation really goes against this master plan of trying to make the whole world think that Korea is the greatest! |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Benicio wrote: |
I made a post about this a long time ago when people got all riled up about immigration stating that foreigners couldn't volunteer at orphanages.
THE KOREAN GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL OFFICIALS DO NOT WANT FOREIGNERS ANYWHERE NEAR ORPHANAGES HERE!!!
Orphanages are yet another of Korea's dirty little secrets and they don't want foreigners to see these kinds of things. They really want to keep it hidden away and our volunteering is an embarrassment to them.
They want foriegners doing things like loving kimchi, praising "D-War", enjoying Korea's unique 4 seasons, admiring the scientific genius of the Korean language, Dynamic Korea, Korea Sparkling, etc. etc. etc.
Us foreigners spending time at and letting others know about Korea's orphan situation really goes against this master plan of trying to make the whole world think that Korea is the greatest! |
Speaking of terrible situations and orphanages, I figured this may be quite interesting to a few:
A Korean family I know of (I used to teach their daught for 2 years) recently adopted a Korean baby, though, it didn't come without a battle.
According to the family, the orphanage didn't want to give up the child because they get 'X' amount of dollars per month per child from the government. Therefore, the less children, the less money. The Korean mother of said family, for some time, was voulunteering there. After a while, she fell in love with a baby there and the baby seemed to reciprocate.
The battle went on for about 5 or 6 months with the orphanage finally relenting their relentless efforts to keep the baby there instead of finding a good home.
Tell me that isn't terrible! |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Benicio wrote: |
I made a post about this a long time ago when people got all riled up about immigration stating that foreigners couldn't volunteer at orphanages.
THE KOREAN GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL OFFICIALS DO NOT WANT FOREIGNERS ANYWHERE NEAR ORPHANAGES HERE!!!
Orphanages are yet another of Korea's dirty little secrets and they don't want foreigners to see these kinds of things. They really want to keep it hidden away and our volunteering is an embarrassment to them.
They want foriegners doing things like loving kimchi, praising "D-War", enjoying Korea's unique 4 seasons, admiring the scientific genius of the Korean language, Dynamic Korea, Korea Sparkling, etc. etc. etc.
Us foreigners spending time at and letting others know about Korea's orphan situation really goes against this master plan of trying to make the whole world think that Korea is the greatest! |
Actually most Korean 'orphans' are closer to what we'd call 'foster kids' in North America and probably have it better off than most foster kids living in group homes in North America, at least until they become adults. |
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Scotticus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Actually most Korean 'orphans' are closer to what we'd call 'foster kids' in North America and probably have it better off than most foster kids living in group homes in North America, at least until they become adults. |
Then you must have gone to different orphanages than I have. 2-Year olds shitting in cans, kids who smelled like piss cause they desperately needed a bath, oh and the kids who latch on to you for dear life because they're so desperate for love/a home. Honestly, that's the first time I've seen someone say something remotely positive about a Korean orphanage.
Oh, and remember: kids in NA orphanages have a decent chance of getting adopted. Korean culture is basically set up that, if you don't have a family, you're SOL. |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| Alyallen wrote: |
What they are doing is so kind but imagine how much it will devastate them if immigration drops the hammer on them for trying to do a good deed.
But I sort of think they might get away with it. A few years back some people I know and I held an English camp with all benefits going to the Red Cross for Tsunami relief. I nor anyone else involved didn't get into trouble but with the current climate in regards to foreigners, it's hard to tell which side of the law they'll wind up... |
Current climate? You mean the one that has been current since the inception of the Chosun Dynasty and the adoption of Neo-Confucianism as the guiding light of the state? |
Yeah yea...I see your point. I just meant that at the time of my "rule breaking," the issue of "diseased, druggie, child molesting, fake degree having foreigners" wasn't nearly as hyped. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Actually most Korean 'orphans' are closer to what we'd call 'foster kids' in North America and probably have it better off than most foster kids living in group homes in North America, at least until they become adults. |
Then you must have gone to different orphanages than I have. 2-Year olds *beep* in cans, kids who smelled like piss cause they desperately needed a bath, oh and the kids who latch on to you for dear life because they're so desperate for love/a home. Honestly, that's the first time I've seen someone say something remotely positive about a Korean orphanage.
Oh, and remember: kids in NA orphanages have a decent chance of getting adopted. Korean culture is basically set up that, if you don't have a family, you're SOL. |
Really? This was recently? The one with which I'm familiar (I stop by for free language exchanges with some of the teenage residents from time to time) is clean and the kids are adequately provided for. One of the high school kids even got to go on a charity sponsored trip to Cambodia last spring. It doesn't have any infants or toddlers, though, apart from one of the teenage girls own baby. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Really? This was recently? The one with which I'm familiar (I stop by for free language exchanges with some of the teenage residents from time to time) is clean and the kids are adequately provided for. One of the high school kids even got to go on a charity sponsored trip to Cambodia last spring. It doesn't have any infants or toddlers, though, apart from one of the teenage girls own baby. |
I went to a couple back when I first got here a couple years ago. They were for babies/younger children. It was super depressing and I just stopped going. You're lucky if you found a nice one. Stick with it.
I wasn't being a jerk before, though. Honestly, I've talked to multiple people who volunteer at orphanages here and almost everything they say is bad. Maybe it's a Seoul thing? The ones I've been to were dirty and really depressing. |
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