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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Korean Language Question Reply with quote

I think there should be a Korean language section, and if I missed it please let me know where it is.

I am trying to study Korean now, and I noticed a few characters have double sounds.

여기

The "ㄱ" above is pronounced with a "g", not a "k".

So, how do you know which ones to use in this case?
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all contextual. In the case of ㄱ, if it's at the beginning of a word it's slightly more "k"ish (but still not fully aspirated); if it's later in a word, it's more like a hard "g."
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts.
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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: Korean Language Question Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
I think there should be a Korean language section


I agree. A lot of questions about Korean come up and it would be nice if they had their own forum to accumulate in. I could see it being beneficial to a lot of people.
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wo buxihuan hanguoren



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also think there should be a Korean language forum. Thought about it a while back, actually - would be fun, and very helpful I think.

We could actually, heaven forbid, help one another out and stuff. Oh, the horror!
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faster



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts.


Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right?
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget the way ㄱ can change into an ㅇ sound. As in 한국말, which is actually pronounced as " han goong mal ".

Or the way ㄹ and ㄴ are sometimes interchanged.

Korean is much more regular than English in pronunciation but it is still a bit tweaked in places.

Faster, I had no idea you were so savvy. Where do you study?
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faster



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
Don't forget the way ㄱ can change into an ㅇ sound. As in 한국말, which is actually pronounced as " han goong mal ".

Or the way ㄹ and ㄴ are sometimes interchanged.

Korean is much more regular than English in pronunciation but it is still a bit tweaked in places.

Faster, I had no idea you were so savvy. Where do you study?


I don't, but I've been here a while Smile
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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

faster wrote:
tomato wrote:
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ? is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word ???,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts.


Well, in that example, the first instance of ? is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right?


Correct.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
Don't forget the way ㄱ can change into an ㅇ sound. As in 한국말, which is actually pronounced as " han goong mal ".

Or the way ㄹ and ㄴ are sometimes interchanged.

Korean is much more regular than English in pronunciation but it is still a bit tweaked in places.

Faster, I had no idea you were so savvy. Where do you study?


Important, good point.

Asking a server for 국물 or asking where a 국민 bank is will not be understood. 궁물 and 궁민 however and you're in business.
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jadarite



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

faster wrote:
tomato wrote:
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts.


Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right?


So ㄱ is a "k" sound, but when it looks more like a "7" or in Japanese "フ" it has a "g" sound?

Also, how do you determine if something is swallowed/glottal and not properly voiced?
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faster



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
faster wrote:
tomato wrote:
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts.


Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right?


So ㄱ is a "k" sound, but when it looks more like a "7" or in Japanese "フ" it has a "g" sound?


No

jadarite wrote:
Also, how do you determine if something is swallowed/glottal and not properly voiced?


at the end of a syllable, with another syllable following that begins with a hard consonant, it's swallowed (or sometimes turned into a "ㅇ"). I'm sorta making this up from experience, I don't really speak Korean.
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normalcyispasse



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
faster wrote:
tomato wrote:
What Faster says is true.
Also, a ㄱ is a G if followed by a vowel and a K if followed by a consonant.
The word 막대기,meaning "piece of wood," is pronounced "makdaegi," so it serves as an example on both counts.


Well, in that example, the first instance of ㄱ is swallowed/glottal--it's not a proper voiced "k," right?


So ㄱ is a "k" sound, but when it looks more like a "7" or in Japanese "フ" it has a "g" sound?

Also, how do you determine if something is swallowed/glottal and not properly voiced?


ㄱ is mostly "g," except at the ends of words. (E.g. 한국 is pronounced "hangook".) There are also exceptions, as noted with 국물.

フ in Japanese is pronounced "hu" (and with the "quote marks" can become "bu"). The "gu" comes from グ (katakana) orぐ (hiragana), as a modification to the the "ku" く/ク.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Korean Language Question Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
jadarite wrote:
I think there should be a Korean language section


I agree. A lot of questions about Korean come up and it would be nice if they had their own forum to accumulate in. I could see it being beneficial to a lot of people.


Try Galbijim.
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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Korean Language Question Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Ginormousaurus wrote:
jadarite wrote:
I think there should be a Korean language section


I agree. A lot of questions about Korean come up and it would be nice if they had their own forum to accumulate in. I could see it being beneficial to a lot of people.


Try Galbijim.


I post there under the name project.J. Unfortunately it doesn't have as much traffic as this site does.
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