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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Wow...And now I am sort of numb Reply with quote

So, my class is doing a roleplay using the public school english book. There are two characters Jin-ho's mother and Peter. Peter, for those of you not lucky enough to use this fantasic book (and yes I am being severely sarcastic), is Black. So the dialog goes like this...

Jinho's mother: Help yourself, Peter.
Peter: Oh wow, thanks!

two of my students go up and say this
Jinho's mother: Help yourself, 깜둥이.
Peter: Oh wow, thanks!

My jaw drops and I say "WHAT??" My co-teacher kind of whacks the kids upside the head and carried on with the lesson.

So why was I sort of shocked. Naver.com provides the answer

깜둥이
1【살빛이 까만 사람】a dark-faced person
2【흑인】a Negro;a colored man;a n@gger;a darky;a blackie;a blacky《구어》

My Korean is not the greatest but why use that instead of
흑인
흑인(黑人) a black (person);a colored person;a darky;a n@gger;a Negro

I guess I just can't win in the Korean language. I have heard 흑인 often enough and seen it on TV, so I suppose that's the more "polite" way to say Black person Question but...I really don't know.

Oh and yeah, I was really pissed that they used Korean instead of the damn English dialog.

This is just not a good day for me, I guess.
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And they wonder why racism and xenophobia are abound in this country. Nobody takes the time to correct them and explain that what they said is unacceptable.

I remember I was perusing through some Jr. Naver English songs to see if there was anything I could use with my young 1st and 2nd graders (I have no co-teacher for them).

One song, "There was a farmer had a dog and bingo was his name-o", showed the farmer kicking the crap out of the dog everytime the students should clap to substitute a letter. Let's condone animal abuse everyone.

There was another one (one little two little three little indians), which showed a Korean going into the jungle and encountering some Native Americans. They were of course dressed in tribal attire and were sporting spears and bows and arrows. Everytime the song counted an indian, it showed the Korean guy shooting the heads off of the indians one by one, blood splatter and all.

Seriously..... what the hell is this country thinking?

"We need to make an animation for this song to appeal to children and teach them English.... but I bet at the same time we can teach them to hate other cultures, kill other people, and beat animals".

.... I ended up choosing different songs for obvious reasons.
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koon_taung_daeng



Joined: 28 Jan 2007
Location: south korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think you have to be very upset when something like that happens and explain to them why this is wrong. Or call them dirty gooks and see how they like it
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koon_taung_daeng wrote:
i think you have to be very upset when something like that happens and explain to them why this is wrong. Or call them dirty gooks and see how they like it


I wasn't 100% sure if I was right or not. I had read about that word before so when I first heard it, it took a second to click in. The second time I said "What??!!" and that's when my co-teacher swatted the students. But it is weird because my co-teacher didn't say anything about it and usually if the kids say anything even remotely rude he rips into them.

I guess that's why I'm numb about it because it didn't surprise any of my students. No one thought twice about saying it in front of me twice and the some what weak response from my co-teacher. Sigh....
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="SeoulShakin"]And they wonder why racism and xenophobia are abound in this country.
quote]

I don't think they wonder at all. I think they're blissfully unaware, i.e pig ignorant.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're at that unit now, you are behind.... Very Happy
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
If you're at that unit now, you are behind.... Very Happy


Uh...no, I'm not.
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marlow



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have a talk with your co-teachers just to make sure you're on the same page in the future. No need to have stuff like that happening.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did that unit last week. But every time peter is on the t.v. kids say things about his lips or his skin color. I've been here for 3 years and know how Koreans are so nothing surprises me. I'm on the next unit "I'm stronger then you."
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genezorm



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulShakin wrote:

There was another one (one little two little three little indians), which showed a Korean going into the jungle and encountering some Native Americans. They were of course dressed in tribal attire and were sporting spears and bows and arrows. Everytime the song counted an indian, it showed the Korean guy shooting the heads off of the indians one by one, blood splatter and all.

Seriously..... what the hell is this country thinking?


Yeah because that the "One Little Indian" song is so respectful of Native people in the first place, and I don't think it originated in Korea.
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shaunew wrote:
I did that unit last week. But every time peter is on the t.v. kids say things about his lips or his skin color. I've been here for 3 years and know how Koreans are so nothing surprises me. I'm on the next unit "I'm stronger then you."


How strange. I'm talking about Unit 10 in the 5th grade textbook. "I'm stronger than you" is unit 10 in my 6th grade textbook.

Yeah, I know kids are nutty like that. This is my second year at the school and generally I have to get them knock off saying Peter is my brother (I actually do have a brother named Peter, so the comment ticks me off even more). I just found it a bit strange (and I suppose telling) that they would bust out with that in front of their Black teacher Confused
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so pleased I don't have to teach that text book. My co-teachers teach it but i refused to teach it because it was cr*p. They could see my point of view.

The first thing I saw was 'I wish there were no pollution' Case closed!
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome Vans wrote:
I'm so pleased I don't have to teach that text book. My co-teachers teach it but i refused to teach it because it was cr*p. They could see my point of view.

The first thing I saw was 'I wish there were no pollution' Case closed!



Ditto, at 2 of the elementary schools I teach at, they wanted me to go through and be a sort of tape recorder support for the textbook... I refused because the district office had instructed us to do otherwise (ie not use a textbook at all), because the book is mostly in Korean and my job description doesnt require me to use any language other than English, and because just getting the student to repeat what you're saying isnt exactly the best way to teach English... thank God for being able to make your own lesson plans! As a going away gift to one of my elementary schools that is still giving me grief about not being a human taperecorder, Im giving them a small portable tape recorder (after I've been paid for the last time, collected my airticket, etc).
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can say is be thankful if you are in Korea and you aren't black. dark skin is just frowned upon here. hence stores full of whiteners for the face. One of my friends even commented about his face on cyworld, saying he looked like a migrant worker in his pic, because his face looked a little dark in the pic.
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SeoulShakin



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="xtchr"]
SeoulShakin wrote:
And they wonder why racism and xenophobia are abound in this country.
quote]

I don't think they wonder at all. I think they're blissfully unaware, i.e pig ignorant.


Yeah, you're probably right.
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